Comments on: Adobe GoLive 9 Ships (Finally!)

By: David Blatner

David Blatner — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:18:08 +0000

Lucinda, is GoLive CS2 really running that slowly on the intel mac? Is that a known problem? I wonder if there’s some other issue going on there. Personally, if I were you, I’d try to stick it out with GL until DW gets their act in gear (perhaps CS4?). That said, I think it is likely inevitable that you will be using dreamweaver sooner or later.

By: lucinda wierenga

lucinda wierenga — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:00:22 +0000

I find myself at a crossroads here - CS2 on my intel mac is slowly driving me nuts (and I do mean slooooowly). Do I upgrade to GL 9 or jump to DW? I deeply dread having to learn a new program. Websites are a sideline for me and I don’t want to be forced to learn more than I need to. I want simplicity; I want all the sites I have created in GL (many using menumachine) to be easily updateable. I curse Adobe for painting me into this corner. While it is somewhat comforting to see I am not alone here, this discussion has only muddied the waters for me. Phooey.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:47:25 +0000

The new user interface has been driving me bonkers (a former CyberStudio user back in the day who has stood by GoLive for years). I’m stuck now saying ‘do I relearn GoLive or take the Dreamweaver plunge.’

By: Gary Makowski

Gary Makowski — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:54:36 +0000

I originally started with CyberStudio, which I thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then GoLive 3, then GL4, then GL5. I stopped there… the next iterations got so far afield from the objectives of GL: ease of use, stability, intuitiveness, control…

I’m not a professional. Like the majority of folks using these kinds of products, I build/maintain a couple of websites for clubs at school and ministries at church but am not some professional. GL5 was great. Drag and drop, reasonably (not perfectly) intuitive, easy to figure out, fairly stable.

I downloaded GL6 and it couldn’t even download any of my websites (to create it’s own .site) without crashing. Never did get it to work. Then with CS2, same thing. But that was a very complex interface. It got away from the basics and didn’t add value. It also constantly crashed as well.

Now I’m stuck with GL9 since I need to run it on an Intel Mac.

I admit I’m not totally familiar with GL9 yet, but man, it more clicks and mouse moves to do the same things as in GL5! Constantly have to click back into the TEXT mode as it keeps defaulting out to the “select” mode… One step backwards for sure. And no WYSIWYG that I can see… The preview mode creates PDF files! What’s that for? WYSIWYG?? And make some text changes like Bold or Italics and the headings move right… And most annoying, it can’t recognize old GL code which is really important: components. In GL5, you make a change in a component and instantly it updates all the site pages with the update. Where is this in GL9? And tiny, tiny little grey boxes to click for major functions… I could go on. I’ve only been using it a few days…what more will I find after using it for a while?

Very frustrating so far.

I’m not sure what Adobe is trying to say here. I know what I’m hearing,though… Adobe wants everyone to move to the high-end professional programs or use the kiddie-toy programs like Apple’s iWeb. Both are not real alternatives for the many people like me. Right now, my alternative is to keep my old OS9 running and use GL5!

By: Raymond McCabe

Raymond McCabe — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:28:49 +0000

I’ve been using GoLive from it’s first release and was very disappointed when we were forced to use DW. We picked up the CS3 Web Premium bundle. For a month I’ve been trying to put up a simple site and haven’t gotten that far. It’s like working in mud. I still can’t figure out how to do just a minor 3 stage rollover in DW. I just found out about the GoLive 9 upgrade through the Creative Suite Podcast. I immediately downloaded it, but my boss bought the CS3 Suite so I’m stuck with DW for our company site. He bought every single book out so far on DW, very little help.

A little off subject, but I want ImageReady back.

Adobe should have waited a year and intergrated the Macromedia Apps into the suites instead of last minute patching. Hopefully things will be better in CS4…CS5 maybe?

By: José Ramos

José Ramos — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:23:47 +0000

David, I think you’re quite right. Not many of us are interested in writing the code. However, if what Nini said about GL writing proprietary code is true, I think it would be a BIG mistake to do any significantly important projects in GL9.

So, the question is, is it worth my time and effort to learn GL9, given it’s uncertain future? Or, do we think that GL9 is here to stay.

By: Anne-Marie

Anne-Marie — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:05:07 +0000

Lynn, that’s great news! Thank you (and Adam) for checking with the source. We should mention it on the GL Talk list.

By: Lynn Grillo

Lynn Grillo — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:59 +0000

AM, users *can* upgrade to GoLive 9, even if the version they are using was obtained as part of a suite. However, they need to call customer service to get it done. Adam and I checked earlier today and this info was confirmed.

By: Nini Tjäder

Nini Tjäder — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:37:21 +0000

My comments were also about GL9 and IDCS3. Not the earlier ones. I am far from convinced that trying to make a web-layout app behave and look like a page-layout app is the way to go.

I am also far from convinced that writing proprietary code is the way to go. One of the main critics that GL always have got is that it writes proprietary code and therefore cannot be taken seriously. Now this happens again with one important difference: that code cannot be stripped at upload as far as I know (and it cannot even be changed in source as GL changes your code for you) which it could in previous versions if you did not want the GL-specific code to show to all the world.

I’ve always loved GL and its superior UI. A lot of what other Adobe apps have gotten of changed UI over the years comes from GoLive since Adobe bought it (at version 4). GL had stashed palettes at all 4 sides of the screen for a long time before Adobe got them (then for 2 screen sides when ID came along and we lost 2 sides in GoLive too for the sake of apps to be more alike).

As for the UI - which is in all the CS3 apps - it is deceptively nicelooking but not very practical and definitely not done for displays smaller than 20″. It simply takes up much too much screenestate. I am not happy with it as long as it does not work on multiple displays and as long as it cannot have more than one palette open at the time (which it cannot unless you revert to the old times and combine your palettes from top to bottom instead of actually using the new UI). And those panes, are real pains as I see it. Steals too much screen-estate.

I’m lost in GL9. I don’t find what I am looking for and some things are simply gone. So I might as well learn DW which will probably be the only future Adobe web-layout app anyway (just read the signs on the walls = ads for DW on the GL pages at Adobe.com).

By: David Blatner

David Blatner — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:59:16 +0000

Nini, my comments about GoLive and InDesign were specifically regarding CS3 and GL9… definitely not the earlier versions!

I had similar concerns that people who have used older versions of GL would be lost, but I’ve heard from some users that the changes are mostly cosmetic. Once you figure out where they put the old features, it’s not a big deal.

That said, I didn’t like the old version of GL and I’m not interested in DW (until they make it suitable for non-developer/coders). But when I looked at GL9, I thought: “Finally! Something I could use.”

I’m sorry you don’t like the CS3 UI, but obviously that’s the direction of the future.