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	<title>Comments on: Apple&#8217;s iBooks Store Standardizes on ePub Format</title>
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		<title>By: Mayfly Design</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/apples-ibooks-store-standardizes-on-epub-format.php/comment-page-1#comment-482412</link>
		<dc:creator>Mayfly Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your tips on anchoring and tables Ron Bilodeau. Very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your tips on anchoring and tables Ron Bilodeau. Very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hertzmann</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/apples-ibooks-store-standardizes-on-epub-format.php/comment-page-1#comment-481348</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hertzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But with a screen large enough to display a decent size page, why would you want to reflow. With a PDF you can design the finished page to look exactly how you want it—your fonts, your colors, your layout.

When outputting books to the iPhone (and the Palm Pilot before that) I need to be able to reflow text to keep the file size small and work with the small screen.

With the larger screen,  creating small files using XHTML and CSS will only make sense if the applications allow for most of CSS. I can see where absolute positioning won&#039;t work, but relative should, as well as most other commands. Right now, on the iPhone, although claim the can work with EPUB files, they all ignore most (if not all) if the CSS. (They also ignore unicode-based HTML entities.)

David: If you know an iPhone app that plays well with EPUB and allows the user to upload their own books, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But with a screen large enough to display a decent size page, why would you want to reflow. With a PDF you can design the finished page to look exactly how you want it—your fonts, your colors, your layout.</p>
<p>When outputting books to the iPhone (and the Palm Pilot before that) I need to be able to reflow text to keep the file size small and work with the small screen.</p>
<p>With the larger screen,  creating small files using XHTML and CSS will only make sense if the applications allow for most of CSS. I can see where absolute positioning won&#8217;t work, but relative should, as well as most other commands. Right now, on the iPhone, although claim the can work with EPUB files, they all ignore most (if not all) if the CSS. (They also ignore unicode-based HTML entities.)</p>
<p>David: If you know an iPhone app that plays well with EPUB and allows the user to upload their own books, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rankin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an AIR app that displays ePub in the browser, or on your desktop. You can see both the benfits of reflow, and some glitches. http://lovelyreader.com/


Another interesting thing (to me at least) is rich media ePub, where audio, video, etc are part of the experience. Here&#039;s a link to an example by someone I&#039;m planning to speak to at TOC: http://blog.bluefire.tv/?p=60</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an AIR app that displays ePub in the browser, or on your desktop. You can see both the benfits of reflow, and some glitches. <a href="http://lovelyreader.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lovelyreader.com/</a></p>
<p>Another interesting thing (to me at least) is rich media ePub, where audio, video, etc are part of the experience. Here&#8217;s a link to an example by someone I&#8217;m planning to speak to at TOC: <a href="http://blog.bluefire.tv/?p=60" rel="nofollow">http://blog.bluefire.tv/?p=60</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Blatner</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/apples-ibooks-store-standardizes-on-epub-format.php/comment-page-1#comment-481342</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that PDF support would be really terrific for the iPad and other large readers (kindle dx, etc.). However, what you lose is the ability to reflow... that is, change font, size, margins, and so on. PDF does have some reflow technology (in tagged documents), but I&#039;m not sure its as robust as we&#039;d want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that PDF support would be really terrific for the iPad and other large readers (kindle dx, etc.). However, what you lose is the ability to reflow&#8230; that is, change font, size, margins, and so on. PDF does have some reflow technology (in tagged documents), but I&#8217;m not sure its as robust as we&#8217;d want.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hertzmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hertzmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this may be moot if the iPad has a decent PDF application. EPUB is a language designed to reflow text based on criteria entered by the user in the reader application, such as font size. The screen size on the iPad is sufficiently large so that traditional page design could be applied in InDesign and then the result exported as a PDF file. The PDF client may lake the fancy faux bookshelf front end, but if it handles cross-referencing as well as the modern clients like Apple Preview or Adobe Reader and allows for some form of page movement via gestures, it could be a much easier to output to application.

Currently on the iPhone, the only application that provides all the features being asked for, at least by me, is eReader. This application still uses its proprietary modification of Palm Markup Language, and moving from text to a valid book file is cumbersome and buggy. Stanza, the application listed by everyone as using EPUB, doesn&#039;t recognize simple formatting like italics, bold, and indents. Plus it insists on adding a line between paragraphs and grossly large chapter titles. I find it essentially useless for good output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this may be moot if the iPad has a decent PDF application. EPUB is a language designed to reflow text based on criteria entered by the user in the reader application, such as font size. The screen size on the iPad is sufficiently large so that traditional page design could be applied in InDesign and then the result exported as a PDF file. The PDF client may lake the fancy faux bookshelf front end, but if it handles cross-referencing as well as the modern clients like Apple Preview or Adobe Reader and allows for some form of page movement via gestures, it could be a much easier to output to application.</p>
<p>Currently on the iPhone, the only application that provides all the features being asked for, at least by me, is eReader. This application still uses its proprietary modification of Palm Markup Language, and moving from text to a valid book file is cumbersome and buggy. Stanza, the application listed by everyone as using EPUB, doesn&#8217;t recognize simple formatting like italics, bold, and indents. Plus it insists on adding a line between paragraphs and grossly large chapter titles. I find it essentially useless for good output.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Bilodeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Bilodeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ArcRaj, to elaborate on what has already been said about placing figures, tables, etc. for ePub export:

The easiest and cleanest way to do this is to place your figures as inline graphics within the main text flow. Placing them in their own paragraph line with Leading set to &quot;Auto&quot; will allow you to easily adjust spacing around the figure without the need for text wrap.
If you have a caption accompanying the figure, simply place that as your paragraph immediately following it and style accordingly.

If your figure (with or without caption) visually needs to be placed outside of the text frame, follow the exact same steps as above, but place your inline figure (with or without caption) into its own text frame. 
This frame should then be anchored somewhere within the main text frame. 
Never anchor inside paragraphs, sentences, or words. When exported to ePub, the anchor will then split your paragraph where the anchor is placed.
Here are 3 options (rules) for anchoring:
1. Place the anchor into it&#039;s own line with a Leading of 0.
2. Place the anchor before the first character of a paragraph. (This option will ensure that the figure will appear before that paragraph when exported to ePub.)
3. Place the anchor after the last character (or punctuation) of a paragraph. (This option will ensure that the figure will appear after that paragraph when exported to ePub.)

As for tables:
Tables are inline by default, so they will translate just fine if set within the main text frame.
However, if your table needs to be placed outside of the main text frame, place your table into its own text frame and follow the exact same rules for figures above.

hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ArcRaj, to elaborate on what has already been said about placing figures, tables, etc. for ePub export:</p>
<p>The easiest and cleanest way to do this is to place your figures as inline graphics within the main text flow. Placing them in their own paragraph line with Leading set to &#8220;Auto&#8221; will allow you to easily adjust spacing around the figure without the need for text wrap.<br />
If you have a caption accompanying the figure, simply place that as your paragraph immediately following it and style accordingly.</p>
<p>If your figure (with or without caption) visually needs to be placed outside of the text frame, follow the exact same steps as above, but place your inline figure (with or without caption) into its own text frame.<br />
This frame should then be anchored somewhere within the main text frame.<br />
Never anchor inside paragraphs, sentences, or words. When exported to ePub, the anchor will then split your paragraph where the anchor is placed.<br />
Here are 3 options (rules) for anchoring:<br />
1. Place the anchor into it&#8217;s own line with a Leading of 0.<br />
2. Place the anchor before the first character of a paragraph. (This option will ensure that the figure will appear before that paragraph when exported to ePub.)<br />
3. Place the anchor after the last character (or punctuation) of a paragraph. (This option will ensure that the figure will appear after that paragraph when exported to ePub.)</p>
<p>As for tables:<br />
Tables are inline by default, so they will translate just fine if set within the main text frame.<br />
However, if your table needs to be placed outside of the main text frame, place your table into its own text frame and follow the exact same rules for figures above.</p>
<p>hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a well known case that Apple is engaged in a minor spat about Flash. It is no accident that the iPad or the iPhone don&#039;t use Flash – Apple don&#039;t want it to.

Similarly, I fear that what one person wrote above that we won&#039;t be able to drag and drop ebooks onto the iPad like we can with, say, the Sony Reader. I fear that I will stick to Sony if all of the ebooks that I have bought so far can&#039;t be shifted onto the iPad without having to repurchase them all again.

I also like how I can use Indesign to make my own ebooks (I write) and test the resulting epub files on my Reader. I fear we won&#039;t be able to do that on the iPad, which will infuriate &quot;early adopters&quot; of gadgets who totally embraced ebooks, ePub and e-reader years ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a well known case that Apple is engaged in a minor spat about Flash. It is no accident that the iPad or the iPhone don&#8217;t use Flash – Apple don&#8217;t want it to.</p>
<p>Similarly, I fear that what one person wrote above that we won&#8217;t be able to drag and drop ebooks onto the iPad like we can with, say, the Sony Reader. I fear that I will stick to Sony if all of the ebooks that I have bought so far can&#8217;t be shifted onto the iPad without having to repurchase them all again.</p>
<p>I also like how I can use Indesign to make my own ebooks (I write) and test the resulting epub files on my Reader. I fear we won&#8217;t be able to do that on the iPad, which will infuriate &#8220;early adopters&#8221; of gadgets who totally embraced ebooks, ePub and e-reader years ago</p>
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		<title>By: SH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would imagine that formatting is like html/css for a desktop browser versus mobile devices:

For the most part the mobile device can interpret the page as it was designed for a desktop browser, but special style rules &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; be applied for those specific devices.

Until a standard has evolved, individual formats may (painfully) have to be applied in order to be marketable for each different reader.

of note - I find the topic of Flash interesting.  I avoid it especially as most &quot;flashy&quot; effects must be purchased.  I use &lt;em&gt;functional&lt;/em&gt; tricks developed in jQuery which, I&#039;ll bet, works smooth-as-silk on the iPad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would imagine that formatting is like html/css for a desktop browser versus mobile devices:</p>
<p>For the most part the mobile device can interpret the page as it was designed for a desktop browser, but special style rules <em>can</em> be applied for those specific devices.</p>
<p>Until a standard has evolved, individual formats may (painfully) have to be applied in order to be marketable for each different reader.</p>
<p>of note &#8211; I find the topic of Flash interesting.  I avoid it especially as most &#8220;flashy&#8221; effects must be purchased.  I use <em>functional</em> tricks developed in jQuery which, I&#8217;ll bet, works smooth-as-silk on the iPad.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my article, I state &quot;If an anchored image uses the Above
Line or Custom position options, it won’t be positioned
correctly in the eBook.&quot; To be more accurate, I should say that it&#039;s fine to use the Above Line and Custom position options, but the exact position of those objects won&#039;t be maintained in the EPUB file. Instead they will be linearized and will run inline with the text to which they are attached.

By customizing the position of an anchored object, you can move it anywhere on the page you like, which is necessary if you want to create just one version of a publication that works for both print and EPUB export.

Be aware that when you create a custom anchored object, this results in an extra space where the object is anchored (if it is anchored to its own paragraph). So the trick is to apply a leading value of zero to that paragraph and the extra space will be removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my article, I state &#8220;If an anchored image uses the Above<br />
Line or Custom position options, it won’t be positioned<br />
correctly in the eBook.&#8221; To be more accurate, I should say that it&#8217;s fine to use the Above Line and Custom position options, but the exact position of those objects won&#8217;t be maintained in the EPUB file. Instead they will be linearized and will run inline with the text to which they are attached.</p>
<p>By customizing the position of an anchored object, you can move it anywhere on the page you like, which is necessary if you want to create just one version of a publication that works for both print and EPUB export.</p>
<p>Be aware that when you create a custom anchored object, this results in an extra space where the object is anchored (if it is anchored to its own paragraph). So the trick is to apply a leading value of zero to that paragraph and the extra space will be removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rankin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would probably be a good idea to anchor just a couple and check the results. Gabriel Powell&#039;s article in InDesign Magazine stated that you should only use inline objects. Custom or above line positioning would result in incorrect placement in the ebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would probably be a good idea to anchor just a couple and check the results. Gabriel Powell&#8217;s article in InDesign Magazine stated that you should only use inline objects. Custom or above line positioning would result in incorrect placement in the ebook.</p>
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