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		<title>By: Nye Hughes</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472665</link>
		<dc:creator>Nye Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks Adi, I hope this proves useful amoungst the Indesign community. 

We are finding that uptake of CS4 is very sluggish, especially amongst the printing firms we deal with. Typically they have to upgrade many machines, but in the current financial climate are watching every penny. Consequently, being able to retain as many CS4 features as possible during a backsave is essential.

I feel that if Adobe provided more robust backsaving features to Indesign, people would be less reluctant to upgrade -- but in the meantime scripts like this are the only answer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Adi, I hope this proves useful amoungst the Indesign community. </p>
<p>We are finding that uptake of CS4 is very sluggish, especially amongst the printing firms we deal with. Typically they have to upgrade many machines, but in the current financial climate are watching every penny. Consequently, being able to retain as many CS4 features as possible during a backsave is essential.</p>
<p>I feel that if Adobe provided more robust backsaving features to Indesign, people would be less reluctant to upgrade &#8212; but in the meantime scripts like this are the only answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Ravid</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472648</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi Ravid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ney: Here&#039;s the Javascript version you asked for.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://public.me.com/fouraces/Scripts/InDesign/CS4/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public InDesign CS4 Scripts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ney: Here&#8217;s the Javascript version you asked for.<br />
<a href="http://public.me.com/fouraces/Scripts/InDesign/CS4/" rel="nofollow">Public InDesign CS4 Scripts</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nye Hughes</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472513</link>
		<dc:creator>Nye Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Harbs: Brilliant -- I had not realised the setting would work with the user interface export.

Whilst we are on the subject of CS4 to CS3 back saving, this may be a good place to link to another Applescript I wrote that people may find useful.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://homepage.mac.com/nyehughes/.Public/Turn%20grep%20styles%20to%20character%20styles.scpt.zip&quot; title=&quot;Turn Grep Styles to Character Styles.scpt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Turn Grep Styles to Character Styles.scpt &lt;/a&gt; 

This script gets round the problem that the formating of any Grep Styled text disappears when you use INX to backsave it to CS3. 

The script works by searching for any Grep styled text and applying the specified character styles. Once it has been run, the document can then safely be exported to INX CS3 format with the formating preserved. If you are planning to keep using the CS4 version, it may be sensible to run the script on a copy of the document, so you do not end up with lots of extra character styles (although they can easily be removed).

The usual words of caution apply: the script was written for my personal use, and appears to work without problem on my system, but please use at your own risk. 

Anyone fancy making a Javascript version? (I will get round to learning Javascript one day...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Harbs: Brilliant &#8212; I had not realised the setting would work with the user interface export.</p>
<p>Whilst we are on the subject of CS4 to CS3 back saving, this may be a good place to link to another Applescript I wrote that people may find useful.</p>
<p><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/nyehughes/.Public/Turn%20grep%20styles%20to%20character%20styles.scpt.zip" title="Turn Grep Styles to Character Styles.scpt" rel="nofollow">Turn Grep Styles to Character Styles.scpt </a> </p>
<p>This script gets round the problem that the formating of any Grep Styled text disappears when you use INX to backsave it to CS3. </p>
<p>The script works by searching for any Grep styled text and applying the specified character styles. Once it has been run, the document can then safely be exported to INX CS3 format with the formating preserved. If you are planning to keep using the CS4 version, it may be sensible to run the script on a copy of the document, so you do not end up with lots of extra character styles (although they can easily be removed).</p>
<p>The usual words of caution apply: the script was written for my personal use, and appears to work without problem on my system, but please use at your own risk. </p>
<p>Anyone fancy making a Javascript version? (I will get round to learning Javascript one day&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Harbs</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472493</link>
		<dc:creator>Harbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the setting can be toggled to use the regular Snippet export to export one format or the other.

Below is a link to download a simple javascript which toggles the setting. (I couldn&#039;t get the code to &quot;stick&quot; in the comment window.) Now, why couldn&#039;t Adobe just include both formats as export options?

http://in-tools.com/indesign/scripts/freeware/ToggleCS4SnippetExport.zip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the setting can be toggled to use the regular Snippet export to export one format or the other.</p>
<p>Below is a link to download a simple javascript which toggles the setting. (I couldn&#8217;t get the code to &#8220;stick&#8221; in the comment window.) Now, why couldn&#8217;t Adobe just include both formats as export options?</p>
<p><a href="http://in-tools.com/indesign/scripts/freeware/ToggleCS4SnippetExport.zip" rel="nofollow">http://in-tools.com/indesign/scripts/freeware/ToggleCS4SnippetExport.zip</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Blatner</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472483</link>
		<dc:creator>David Blatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nye: That&#039;s very cool! I had no idea the old INX-snippet format was still there, under the hood. Perhaps someone can write up a quick javascript to do the same thing.

I think Mike&#039;s point is an important one, however, on a more conceptual basis: INX was a way, in XML, to describe &lt;em&gt;how to build an InDesign object or file&lt;/em&gt;. It was like writing a script in XML. IDML, however, actually describes the file itself -- its contents, geometry, flow, and so on. 

That&#039;s why I think its extremely unlikely that someone could write an XSLT to convert from one to the other. Maybe someone will prove me wrong, but the two formats are really pretty fundamentally different, as Mike pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nye: That&#8217;s very cool! I had no idea the old INX-snippet format was still there, under the hood. Perhaps someone can write up a quick javascript to do the same thing.</p>
<p>I think Mike&#8217;s point is an important one, however, on a more conceptual basis: INX was a way, in XML, to describe <em>how to build an InDesign object or file</em>. It was like writing a script in XML. IDML, however, actually describes the file itself &#8212; its contents, geometry, flow, and so on. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I think its extremely unlikely that someone could write an XSLT to convert from one to the other. Maybe someone will prove me wrong, but the two formats are really pretty fundamentally different, as Mike pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rankin</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472478</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nye. Very cool. That&#039;s just one more reason why I have to learn scripting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nye. Very cool. That&#8217;s just one more reason why I have to learn scripting!</p>
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		<title>By: Nye Hughes</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472477</link>
		<dc:creator>Nye Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a bit more testing, it seems that to make the above Applescript create a snippet from more than one item on the page, you have to group them first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a bit more testing, it seems that to make the above Applescript create a snippet from more than one item on the page, you have to group them first.</p>
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		<title>By: Nye Hughes</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/downsaving-snippets.php/comment-page-1#comment-472476</link>
		<dc:creator>Nye Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it is possible to save a CS3 compatible snippet from CS4 -- but only if you use scripting. Here is an very basic Applescript that will do the job. Note that I have not added any error checking, so please use at your own risk. I&#039;m sure someone would be able to translate this to a Javascript version, with more robust error handling.

tell application &quot;Adobe InDesign CS4&quot;
	set oldSEF to snippet export format
	set snippet export format to inx traditional format
	set mySelection to selection
	set mypath to (choose file name with prompt &quot;Save Snippet As&quot; default name &quot;Untitled.inds&quot;)
	export mySelection format InDesign snippet to mypath
	set snippet export format to oldSEF
end tell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is possible to save a CS3 compatible snippet from CS4 &#8212; but only if you use scripting. Here is an very basic Applescript that will do the job. Note that I have not added any error checking, so please use at your own risk. I&#8217;m sure someone would be able to translate this to a Javascript version, with more robust error handling.</p>
<p>tell application &#8220;Adobe InDesign CS4&#8243;<br />
	set oldSEF to snippet export format<br />
	set snippet export format to inx traditional format<br />
	set mySelection to selection<br />
	set mypath to (choose file name with prompt &#8220;Save Snippet As&#8221; default name &#8220;Untitled.inds&#8221;)<br />
	export mySelection format InDesign snippet to mypath<br />
	set snippet export format to oldSEF<br />
end tell</p>
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