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5:49 pm
January 22, 2012


wlashack

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Hi, i am drawing simple vector images like the example below in InDesign CS5. Finally when the vector is complete i group it and scale. The problem is that InDesign does not allow me to scale it sometimes. I draw 50 animals like this one, 48 are OK and 2 are not scalable. WHY? It looks like some kind of bug to me because all the objects are created the same way so there is no reason to be able to scale only some of them. Can someone help? Thanks.

8:00 am
January 23, 2012


David Blatner

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You're drawing these in InDesign? Not Illustrator? Hm. Okay. What does it mean that they are not scalable? What happens?

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8:55 am
January 23, 2012


wlashack

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"they are not scalable" means that I can not scale them. :) when I try to scale (manually or by typing 85% for example) InDesign does not allow the operation – nothing happens, InDesign only displays a message like "value not allowed".


here is a link to the InDesign CS5 document if it helps: http://www.clovecenebojse.cz/n…..alable.zip


If you remove the tongue from the illustration, everything will work OK.

3:28 pm
January 23, 2012


karajsize

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Could it have something to do with the complexity of the drawing? Too many points or something like that

4:09 pm
January 23, 2012


wlashack

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Dont think so. As you can see, it is a very simple drawing, all the shapes contain several points only.

9:08 pm
January 23, 2012


Bob Rubey

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Post edited 9:12 pm – January 23, 2012 by Bob Rubey

First, echoing David's thoughts, why not AI?

Anyway, if you rotate the tongue elements back to zero, the entire image will scale. Problem solved? Not exactly. You already know that other elements are rotated.

But there's something else of note: The graphic, as is, can be resized… as long as you make it larger.

So I made an assumption that because of both the small size and rotation of the tongue elements that InDesign is unable to reduce the entire graphic in size and thus generated an error. To test, I increased the size of only the two elements that make up the tongue. And sure enough, I was then was able to reduce the entire graphic.

So, I guess I would look for something small and rotated on other problem graphics and see if that is indeed the cause of the errors.

BTW, I really like your illustration. (And the horse doesn't look too bad with a slightly larger tongue.)

Bob

2:59 am
January 24, 2012


wlashack

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Post edited 3:09 am – January 24, 2012 by wlashack


Thanks for deep study, Bob. :) You are probably right that the source of the scaling problem are small parts of my pictures. I tried to look at other ones that have problems with scaling and there also were small parts that made "problems". I think there is probably a bug in InDesign because there are lots of other small parts that work OK. In any case, thanks for your reply and help.

To answer the questions "why not AI" – I create illustrated books for children (or Tarot cards for adults :) ) and it is fine for me to have fully editable pictures right in the InDesign document. I can easily change colors and edit anything without switching to another application. And the drawing capabilities of InDesign are good enough for me to draw anything I need. So this is the reason why I am trying to stay "inside of InDesign" if possible.

BTW as you like my little animals, this cow says Hi and thanks to YOU. Enjoy the cow! :)
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