Comments on: Free Training for Printers http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php InDesignSecrets Blog and Podcast Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:42:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Steve Werner http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-178387 Steve Werner Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:28:43 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-178387 If the newspaper is having problems with CID fonts, it sounds like they have a very old RIP. You could try creating a PostScript file, and using Acrobat Distiller to make the PDF file. That may (not guaranteed) not use CID fonts. If the newspaper is having problems with CID fonts, it sounds like they have a very old RIP. You could try creating a PostScript file, and using Acrobat Distiller to make the PDF file. That may (not guaranteed) not use CID fonts.

]]> By: Brett http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-178381 Brett Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:22:05 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-178381 I am having a problem sending a PDF file to a newspaper with the CID fonts. Any suggestions? I am having a problem sending a PDF file to a newspaper with the CID fonts. Any suggestions?

]]> By: Lukas Engqvist http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-3875 Lukas Engqvist Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:44:52 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-3875 Being a printer/service provider I feel Bob Levine this needs to be answered, he writes: "But I can’t help but feel that the printers that won’t take live transparency or CID encoded fonts in PDFs aren’t going to be interested in training for something they refuse to deal with." Many of the problems we get with our customers are not that we can't print them, we get results, but we want topp results. CID fonts are not necessary, they have been and gone! If you export from InDesignCS2 you don't get CID fonts. As to live transparency what's the point? You don't want your printer editing your layout? If you do you're better of sending him/her an open InDesign file (packed with links and fonts!) As Adobe Authourised Service Provider we have access to pre-release software and are able to both learn and testrun applications before marketing launches, but there are issues that do come upp as even we cannot test all combinations of design with all fonts. PDF-X1a is the safest way to deliver print ready PDFs, this is a standard. Actually with Acrobat pro it is no problem to downgrade a Live Transparency PDF to a PDFx1a. They don't need to touch their RIPs if they have add Acrobat to their workflow. You will probably find that the ASN and AASP printers on the Adobe site are those that have a proactive approach to keeping at the cutting edge. Being a printer/service provider I feel Bob Levine this needs to be answered, he writes:
“But I can’t help but feel that the printers that won’t take live transparency or CID encoded fonts in PDFs aren’t going to be interested in training for something they refuse to deal with.”
Many of the problems we get with our customers are not that we can’t print them, we get results, but we want topp results. CID fonts are not necessary, they have been and gone! If you export from InDesignCS2 you don’t get CID fonts.
As to live transparency what’s the point? You don’t want your printer editing your layout? If you do you’re better of sending him/her an open InDesign file (packed with links and fonts!)
As Adobe Authourised Service Provider we have access to pre-release software and are able to both learn and testrun applications before marketing launches, but there are issues that do come upp as even we cannot test all combinations of design with all fonts. PDF-X1a is the safest way to deliver print ready PDFs, this is a standard. Actually with Acrobat pro it is no problem to downgrade a Live Transparency PDF to a PDFx1a.
They don’t need to touch their RIPs if they have add Acrobat to their workflow.
You will probably find that the ASN and AASP printers on the Adobe site are those that have a proactive approach to keeping at the cutting edge.

]]> By: Jean-Claude Tremblay http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-2944 Jean-Claude Tremblay Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:53:13 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-2944 Bob Said: "Fact is, I never dealt with a printer with obsolete equipment or Workflows. I figure if I’ve gone to the trouble of staying up to date, so should the printers." I agree for the most point of what Bob said but you also need to understand two points. a) For peoples to upgrade their equipements (ripe,etc) is a lot more expensive than upgrading a software version, We are talking in thousands of $. b) Even if software introduce new functionality, this does not means that rips vendors automaticly make their equipements the same days the new version of the software is out. Having said that... It's sad that some printers does not commits themself to stay on top of what is happening in this industry. It's really sad... In all situations, the key to succes is communication between the two. And if your not happy with your current printer, go find another one. Bob Said:

“Fact is, I never dealt with a printer with obsolete equipment or Workflows. I figure if I’ve gone to the trouble of staying up to date, so should the printers.”

I agree for the most point of what Bob said but you also need to understand two points.

a) For peoples to upgrade their equipements (ripe,etc) is a lot more expensive than upgrading a software version, We are talking in thousands of $.

b) Even if software introduce new functionality, this does not means that rips vendors automaticly make their equipements the same days the new version of the software is out.

Having said that… It’s sad that some printers does not commits themself to stay on top of what is happening in this industry. It’s really sad…

In all situations, the key to succes is communication between the two. And if your not happy with your current printer, go find another one.

]]> By: Bob Levine http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-2939 Bob Levine Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:24:32 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-2939 Good stuff, Steve. But I can't help but feel that the printers that won't take live transparency or CID encoded fonts in PDFs aren't going to be interested in training for something they refuse to deal with. Fact is, I never dealt with a printer with obsolete equipment or workflows. I figure if I've gone to the trouble of staying up to date, so should the printers. And in this day and age of FTP, email and overnight delivery there's simply no reason to compromise. I always find it funny how some people have what I think is almost an unhealthy loyalty to a printer despite their refusal to move into the 21st century. Would you take your car somewhere that required you to bring the oil and filter with you for an oil change? My opinion is that a printer demanding that I flatten the file isn't any different. That's their job. Of course, that's not to say that the designer doesn't have a responsibility here. He/she certainly must submit files that fall within certain standards. This brings us back to the topic of education. Things move pretty fast in this industry and anyone, whether it be a printer or designer who doesn't keep up with the latest news is going to be left in the dust. Good stuff, Steve.

But I can’t help but feel that the printers that won’t take live transparency or CID encoded fonts in PDFs aren’t going to be interested in training for something they refuse to deal with.

Fact is, I never dealt with a printer with obsolete equipment or workflows. I figure if I’ve gone to the trouble of staying up to date, so should the printers. And in this day and age of FTP, email and overnight delivery there’s simply no reason to compromise.

I always find it funny how some people have what I think is almost an unhealthy loyalty to a printer despite their refusal to move into the 21st century.

Would you take your car somewhere that required you to bring the oil and filter with you for an oil change? My opinion is that a printer demanding that I flatten the file isn’t any different. That’s their job.

Of course, that’s not to say that the designer doesn’t have a responsibility here. He/she certainly must submit files that fall within certain standards.

This brings us back to the topic of education. Things move pretty fast in this industry and anyone, whether it be a printer or designer who doesn’t keep up with the latest news is going to be left in the dust.

]]> By: Steve Werner http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-2934 Steve Werner Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:45:04 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/free-training-for-printers.php#comment-2934 David suggested that I provide a link to some of the other Adobe print service provider resource documents which anyone can download. These include the InDesign Printing Guide and a couple guides (one for printers, one for designers) on preparing transparency. Here it is: http://www.adobe.com/studio/print/index.html David suggested that I provide a link to some of the other Adobe print service provider resource documents which anyone can download. These include the InDesign Printing Guide and a couple guides (one for printers, one for designers) on preparing transparency.

Here it is:
http://www.adobe.com/studio/print/index.html

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