Comments on: How to Hang Text in the Margin http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php InDesignSecrets Blog and Podcast Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:20:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Polly http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-360357 Polly Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:42:22 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-360357 Anne-Marie, I have recently found that the hanging indent problem has disappeared after a clean up of duplicate fonts found in the system library. We use suitcase fusion in our office for font management. Anne-Marie, I have recently found that the hanging indent problem has disappeared after a clean up of duplicate fonts found in the system library. We use suitcase fusion in our office for font management.

]]> By: Lukas Engqvist http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-300029 Lukas Engqvist Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:57:49 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-300029 There is a bugg in hanging indents. When exporting to PDF the margin for following lines is not honoured as a tab stop. An additional tab stop at the bottom half arrow in the tab bar is required for the PDF to export so that it looks like the InDesign document and the printed page. I have reported the bugg, thought Adobe would patch it but seems they are not :( so stuck with the workaround. Fine for my own documents, worse when I have customer files, and find the problem escalating as older indesign files are opened in CS3 (updated productsheets, with bullets). There is a bugg in hanging indents. When exporting to PDF the margin for following lines is not honoured as a tab stop. An additional tab stop at the bottom half arrow in the tab bar is required for the PDF to export so that it looks like the InDesign document and the printed page. I have reported the bugg, thought Adobe would patch it but seems they are not :( so stuck with the workaround. Fine for my own documents, worse when I have customer files, and find the problem escalating as older indesign files are opened in CS3 (updated productsheets, with bullets).

]]> By: Polly McNally http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-287390 Polly McNally Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:44:38 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-287390 Anne-Marie, I am using ID CS3. I am not using auto bullet. I get the copy via MS word. It already has bullets in the copy, or astericks, or hyphens. I am just now getting up and running using paragraph styles, so I have invoked manually the positive left and negative right paragraph rule and also set the process up as a style sheet, and I get the same result. I have taken 4 screen shots of the the desktop if seeing them would help. > I was wondering if this had something to do with the single line composer function or the metric/optical function? > The subhead has no indent, flush left, with a paragraph break, Univers 47 lgt cond 9.75/12pt. The next line for one example is a bullet, tab, the text to the sentence. The left indent is .125 in. the first line is -.125 in., flush left, (in QX I would have to set the tab to .125 in.) it seems that ID seems to know that the first tab needed it the left indent measure (that's cool). > I have also been able to create the effect with a list of copy, starting with a hyphen on each of 9 items, they are separated by a hard return. The text came from MS word. I made a text box, then went to objects>text frame options> then created 3 columns with a .167 gutter. I shorten the text box so that 3 items appear in each column, it looks good except that on all 3 columns the hyphens are sticking out past the column completely. There is no hanging indent use here at all. > I am between computers right now, but so far the problem moves with me. I have had it happen on a PowerMac Intel G5, IMac G4, and a PowerMac G4. Other artists in my dept. have not been able to fix it either. Anne-Marie, I am using ID CS3. I am not using auto bullet. I get the copy via MS word. It already has bullets in the copy, or astericks, or hyphens. I am just now getting up and running using paragraph styles, so I have invoked manually the positive left and negative right paragraph rule and also set the process up as a style sheet, and I get the same result. I have taken 4 screen shots of the the desktop if seeing them would help.
> I was wondering if this had something to do with the single line composer function or the metric/optical function?
> The subhead has no indent, flush left, with a paragraph break, Univers 47 lgt cond 9.75/12pt. The next line for one example is a bullet, tab, the text to the sentence. The left indent is .125 in. the first line is -.125 in., flush left, (in QX I would have to set the tab to .125 in.) it seems that ID seems to know that the first tab needed it the left indent measure (that’s cool).
> I have also been able to create the effect with a list of copy, starting with a hyphen on each of 9 items, they are separated by a hard return. The text came from MS word. I made a text box, then went to objects>text frame options> then created 3 columns with a .167 gutter. I shorten the text box so that 3 items appear in each column, it looks good except that on all 3 columns the hyphens are sticking out past the column completely. There is no hanging indent use here at all.
> I am between computers right now, but so far the problem moves with me. I have had it happen on a PowerMac Intel G5, IMac G4, and a PowerMac G4. Other artists in my dept. have not been able to fix it either.

]]> By: Anne-Marie http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-286495 Anne-Marie Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:33:05 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-286495 Polly, I'm not sure what's happening with your bullet alignments, but it's confusing. What version of ID are you using? And how are you setting the bulleted lists ... with the autobullet feature or manually? What are the indent measures for your Subhead and for your bulleted paragraphs? I'm trying to replicate the situation and I can't. Polly, I’m not sure what’s happening with your bullet alignments, but it’s confusing. What version of ID are you using? And how are you setting the bulleted lists … with the autobullet feature or manually? What are the indent measures for your Subhead and for your bulleted paragraphs? I’m trying to replicate the situation and I can’t.

]]> By: Polly McNally http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-286115 Polly McNally Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:01:36 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-286115 I am not finding a way to prevent automatic negative indenting for bullets, hyphens, etc. I like to create hanging indents with the positive left and negative first rule. The situation is this, I have a subhead above a list. All the text is in the same text block. I want the list to start with a bullet or hyphen or some sort of zaph dingbat. ID takes the bullet and pushes it outside the text block and thus not in alignment with the subhead or when the article changes back to regular body text. I have had the same problem in a table cell. The only work around is to tell it to indent farther on the left side. I don't like this fix, I wish ID wouldn't do it in the first place! Suggestions please! I am not finding a way to prevent automatic negative indenting for bullets, hyphens, etc. I like to create hanging indents with the positive left and negative first rule. The situation is this, I have a subhead above a list. All the text is in the same text block. I want the list to start with a bullet or hyphen or some sort of zaph dingbat. ID takes the bullet and pushes it outside the text block and thus not in alignment with the subhead or when the article changes back to regular body text. I have had the same problem in a table cell. The only work around is to tell it to indent farther on the left side. I don’t like this fix, I wish ID wouldn’t do it in the first place! Suggestions please!

]]> By: Alistair Dabbs http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-276057 Alistair Dabbs Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:57:29 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-276057 I have the opposite problem in InDesign CS2 at the moment: I don't want text to stick out to the left of the text frame, but it's doing it anyway. The culprit is the lower-case letter 'j' in virtually every western font. If you have a multi-deck, left-aligned headline and one of those decks begins with the letter 'j', the descender sticks out of the left edge of the text frame. If the line above it begins with an upper-case 'T', the headline looks seriously out of alignment. Yes, I can fiddle it quickly enough in a number of ways, but I wish InDesign wouldn't do it in the first place! I have the opposite problem in InDesign CS2 at the moment: I don’t want text to stick out to the left of the text frame, but it’s doing it anyway. The culprit is the lower-case letter ‘j’ in virtually every western font. If you have a multi-deck, left-aligned headline and one of those decks begins with the letter ‘j’, the descender sticks out of the left edge of the text frame. If the line above it begins with an upper-case ‘T’, the headline looks seriously out of alignment. Yes, I can fiddle it quickly enough in a number of ways, but I wish InDesign wouldn’t do it in the first place!

]]> By: Alexandre Giesbrecht http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-159574 Alexandre Giesbrecht Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:44:25 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-159574 The Story panel, the one that has only one setting! On most of my projects I use the optical margin alignment, but for some fonts, especially a few sans serif ones, it gets a little strange. But what I meant was some sort of "control" over the hanging out of the text frame. The solution I have been using is the one proposed on "InDesign CS/CS2 Breakthroughs" (pages 66/67) and reproduced in the last issue of InDesign Magazine. It's not the ideal solution, but it's what I have in hand. The Story panel, the one that has only one setting! On most of my projects I use the optical margin alignment, but for some fonts, especially a few sans serif ones, it gets a little strange. But what I meant was some sort of “control” over the hanging out of the text frame. The solution I have been using is the one proposed on “InDesign CS/CS2 Breakthroughs” (pages 66/67) and reproduced in the last issue of InDesign Magazine. It’s not the ideal solution, but it’s what I have in hand.

]]> By: Eugene http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-158862 Eugene Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:46:06 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-158862 You can with the Optical Margin Alignment as JT said... but that works as it's said, for a STORY as it's in the STORY panel that comes up, so everything in that story comes up optically aligned. Which you may not want... Luckily in the Paragraph Style there is an option to ignore the optical alignment of text within the style, I found this handy the other day. In fact, a lot of things that have been discussed on this site recently have popped into my working day lately... weird. You can with the Optical Margin Alignment as JT said… but that works as it’s said, for a STORY as it’s in the STORY panel that comes up, so everything in that story comes up optically aligned. Which you may not want…

Luckily in the Paragraph Style there is an option to ignore the optical alignment of text within the style, I found this handy the other day.

In fact, a lot of things that have been discussed on this site recently have popped into my working day lately… weird.

]]> By: Alexandre Giesbrecht http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-158446 Alexandre Giesbrecht Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:25:03 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-158446 It would be waaaaay easier if it were possible to have text out of the edge of the frame... Especially for fancy drop caps. It would be waaaaay easier if it were possible to have text out of the edge of the frame… Especially for fancy drop caps.

]]> By: Ben Leivian http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-158440 Ben Leivian Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:12:20 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-hang-text-in-the-margin.php#comment-158440 Thanks Bob! Thanks Bob!

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