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		<title>By: Niconemo</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/how-to-strip-a-document-of-styles.php/comment-page-1#comment-497231</link>
		<dc:creator>Niconemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

It&#039;s quite an old discussion but I&#039;m also looking for such a script for the very same reason, regardless of the moral considerations.

Thought, I&#039;d add one item berfore the other actions : the first step should be to delete Text Variables (and replace them with text).

Otherwise, the Text Variables based on a text or paragraph style will be broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite an old discussion but I&#8217;m also looking for such a script for the very same reason, regardless of the moral considerations.</p>
<p>Thought, I&#8217;d add one item berfore the other actions : the first step should be to delete Text Variables (and replace them with text).</p>
<p>Otherwise, the Text Variables based on a text or paragraph style will be broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another thought -- one that reminds me of a programmer&#039;s strategy. Change all the names of styles or other structural elements to gibberish. All the structure is still there, but it&#039;s a lot more work to figure it out. It could be scripted, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another thought &#8212; one that reminds me of a programmer&#8217;s strategy. Change all the names of styles or other structural elements to gibberish. All the structure is still there, but it&#8217;s a lot more work to figure it out. It could be scripted, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinkyjase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jinkyjase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your client asks for your digital files, it&#039;s highly unlikely they&#039;re intention is to come back to you in the future. In which case, when you say &quot;sorry but no&quot; if they take the hump and choose not to use you, it was no loss to you in the long run anyway.

Probably better to explain this at the outset so your client knows where you stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your client asks for your digital files, it&#8217;s highly unlikely they&#8217;re intention is to come back to you in the future. In which case, when you say &#8220;sorry but no&#8221; if they take the hump and choose not to use you, it was no loss to you in the long run anyway.</p>
<p>Probably better to explain this at the outset so your client knows where you stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nye Hughes : I&#039;ve had companies come to me with files that required fonts I don&#039;t have (I don&#039;t want to spend several hundreds of Euros on the Meta family) and I then offer them a choice: either they pay 75% of the purchase cost (100% if I can&#039;t use the font for anyone else due its style), or I try to find a suitable alternative.
Some want to stick with the font they had, others want to save the money and will go for a new look.

So using an &quot;exclusive&quot; font is in no means a guarantee, especially as most people don&#039;t look at fonts the way we do (&quot;Oh the shape of that A is just awesome, and look how nicely spaced everything is!&quot; vs. &quot;Yep, that&#039;ll do.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nye Hughes : I&#8217;ve had companies come to me with files that required fonts I don&#8217;t have (I don&#8217;t want to spend several hundreds of Euros on the Meta family) and I then offer them a choice: either they pay 75% of the purchase cost (100% if I can&#8217;t use the font for anyone else due its style), or I try to find a suitable alternative.<br />
Some want to stick with the font they had, others want to save the money and will go for a new look.</p>
<p>So using an &#8220;exclusive&#8221; font is in no means a guarantee, especially as most people don&#8217;t look at fonts the way we do (&#8220;Oh the shape of that A is just awesome, and look how nicely spaced everything is!&#8221; vs. &#8220;Yep, that&#8217;ll do.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

One reason I can think of for doing this, besides supplying the job back to the client, is sometimes I receive files for a redesign job or a start-over. And more often than not, the people who&#039;ve originated the job don&#039;t have the first clue about how to create the job properly in InDesign... So it&#039;s nice for me to be able to strip-out any bad habits they may have applied to any text and objects etc and be safe in the knowledge that I&#039;m working on a clean-build. 

To use an analogy, it&#039;s like if you were building a house, you&#039;d ideally start on fresh ground so that you can ensure your foundations are exactly as you need them, then build-up from there - knowing that any poor workmanship has been removed!!!

That&#039;s my thoughts anyway!

Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>One reason I can think of for doing this, besides supplying the job back to the client, is sometimes I receive files for a redesign job or a start-over. And more often than not, the people who&#8217;ve originated the job don&#8217;t have the first clue about how to create the job properly in InDesign&#8230; So it&#8217;s nice for me to be able to strip-out any bad habits they may have applied to any text and objects etc and be safe in the knowledge that I&#8217;m working on a clean-build. </p>
<p>To use an analogy, it&#8217;s like if you were building a house, you&#8217;d ideally start on fresh ground so that you can ensure your foundations are exactly as you need them, then build-up from there &#8211; knowing that any poor workmanship has been removed!!!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my thoughts anyway!</p>
<p>Pete</p>
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		<title>By: Nye Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nye Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another factor to consider is the font licences. Even if you give the client the InDesign files, they may not want to shell out for the use of the fonts. 

Perhaps one reason for using fonts from exclusive (read expensive) foundries in your designs is to encourage clients to stick with you, rather than having to pay extra for another designer to purchase the fonts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another factor to consider is the font licences. Even if you give the client the InDesign files, they may not want to shell out for the use of the fonts. </p>
<p>Perhaps one reason for using fonts from exclusive (read expensive) foundries in your designs is to encourage clients to stick with you, rather than having to pay extra for another designer to purchase the fonts.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a client I always have to prepare for the worse case scenario. As a client I certainly wouldn&#039;t expect the master files at the same price as a PDF. I do however have to protect my investment in those files. If a designer creates an expensive template for me and I pay for it and then 6 months down the road I need to make a few changes but don&#039;t need anywhere near a complete redesign the cost would be substantially less. However if I call for those changes and I get a &quot;This number is no longer in service&quot; message now I have to pay someone to start over again and I have lost a substantial amount of money in having to hire another designer to recreate what I already paid for once.

We once leased software for the deployment of our website through a small company. It was a huge amount of work setting everything up and before I agreed to the terms my first question was &quot;What if you go out of business?&#039; They actually had a clause in the contract that said if the company folded the software would be given to the clients so they could continue to operate their websites. If I recall it was some sort of Escrow arrangement.
 
I think that David gives the best advice in saying spell this all out up front. Many clients may not have a clue how the process works and what is SOP.  A good business person will make things clear up front. Many people may assume the files come with the job just as they assume  when you buy a car it comes with the tires. Make it clear, up front, and don&#039;t hide it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a client I always have to prepare for the worse case scenario. As a client I certainly wouldn&#8217;t expect the master files at the same price as a PDF. I do however have to protect my investment in those files. If a designer creates an expensive template for me and I pay for it and then 6 months down the road I need to make a few changes but don&#8217;t need anywhere near a complete redesign the cost would be substantially less. However if I call for those changes and I get a &#8220;This number is no longer in service&#8221; message now I have to pay someone to start over again and I have lost a substantial amount of money in having to hire another designer to recreate what I already paid for once.</p>
<p>We once leased software for the deployment of our website through a small company. It was a huge amount of work setting everything up and before I agreed to the terms my first question was &#8220;What if you go out of business?&#8217; They actually had a clause in the contract that said if the company folded the software would be given to the clients so they could continue to operate their websites. If I recall it was some sort of Escrow arrangement.</p>
<p>I think that David gives the best advice in saying spell this all out up front. Many clients may not have a clue how the process works and what is SOP.  A good business person will make things clear up front. Many people may assume the files come with the job just as they assume  when you buy a car it comes with the tires. Make it clear, up front, and don&#8217;t hide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Petteri Paananen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petteri Paananen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that´s what I have done since. Those cases happened years ago and they were a kind of additional training for me to become a professional.... I was young and eager back then... now I´m just a cynical old fart....=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that´s what I have done since. Those cases happened years ago and they were a kind of additional training for me to become a professional&#8230;. I was young and eager back then&#8230; now I´m just a cynical old fart&#8230;.=)</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Gantner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Gantner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petteri,

In you case I would make sure up front that the contract clearly states the deliverable for the design is the design (probably delivered as a low res PDF) and not an InDesign template file, and that the client is well aware of this. These are actually two different functions as the design file is probably not a full template with organized styles and master pages ready for production and takes additional time to set up.  This way if they do just want the templates then you can charge them for your time and knowledge in creating those.

Also I would not give a cut rate or free on the design, a well thought out design takes a lot of time to do right, and so does creating a production template. If you were to do this then make sure that the contract states a minimum number of layouts (so that you can make up for your lost wages) that they have to have you create, explaining to them that you have bills to pay and cannot give away your work for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petteri,</p>
<p>In you case I would make sure up front that the contract clearly states the deliverable for the design is the design (probably delivered as a low res PDF) and not an InDesign template file, and that the client is well aware of this. These are actually two different functions as the design file is probably not a full template with organized styles and master pages ready for production and takes additional time to set up.  This way if they do just want the templates then you can charge them for your time and knowledge in creating those.</p>
<p>Also I would not give a cut rate or free on the design, a well thought out design takes a lot of time to do right, and so does creating a production template. If you were to do this then make sure that the contract states a minimum number of layouts (so that you can make up for your lost wages) that they have to have you create, explaining to them that you have bills to pay and cannot give away your work for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Petteri Paananen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petteri Paananen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some unfortunate cases too.... Customer asked me to do magazine layout-design and promised to order at least few actual layouts from me for deasent price if I make those design-jobs cheaply or even free. Usually the bells should ring at this point.

After approved layout-design and first published magazine made by me, same customer starts to ask original indd-files from me. That is the point where I usually understand that I have lost the game. The big questions is, do I want to make a job little bit easier for the next guy. This whole situation is probably not his/her fault anyway.... I didn´t send original files.

I didnt see any reasonable way to get those promised jobs to me. I took it as a price for learning something. After those cases I have not made any cheap designs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some unfortunate cases too&#8230;. Customer asked me to do magazine layout-design and promised to order at least few actual layouts from me for deasent price if I make those design-jobs cheaply or even free. Usually the bells should ring at this point.</p>
<p>After approved layout-design and first published magazine made by me, same customer starts to ask original indd-files from me. That is the point where I usually understand that I have lost the game. The big questions is, do I want to make a job little bit easier for the next guy. This whole situation is probably not his/her fault anyway&#8230;. I didn´t send original files.</p>
<p>I didnt see any reasonable way to get those promised jobs to me. I took it as a price for learning something. After those cases I have not made any cheap designs.</p>
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