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		<title>By: Dieta dos Pontos</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/indesignsecrets-podcast-082.php/comment-page-1#comment-468950</link>
		<dc:creator>Dieta dos Pontos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fairly new to InDesign and found everything about font and text very useful. Thanks for these podcasts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fairly new to InDesign and found everything about font and text very useful. Thanks for these podcasts!</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Ravid</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/indesignsecrets-podcast-082.php/comment-page-1#comment-467001</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi Ravid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David: I stand corrected.</description>
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		<title>By: David Blatner</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Blatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adi: Great points. One correction: The increase/decrease word spacing (kerning on space characters between words) &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://indesignsecrets.com/in-design-secrets-store&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Keyboard Shortcuts poster&lt;/a&gt;. We wouldn&#039;t leave that one out! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adi: Great points. One correction: The increase/decrease word spacing (kerning on space characters between words) <em>is</em> on <a href="http://indesignsecrets.com/in-design-secrets-store" rel="nofollow">the Keyboard Shortcuts poster</a>. We wouldn&#8217;t leave that one out! <img src='http://indesignsecrets.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adi Ravid</title>
		<link>http://indesignsecrets.com/indesignsecrets-podcast-082.php/comment-page-1#comment-466973</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi Ravid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great podcast, as always.

Here are some comments:
1. The hidden Path command were also available in CS2 (at least this is when I encountered them, and been spilling their secret hiding-place since). 

2. Although hidden, in CS3 the hidden Path commands (and some other) will show-up in the Quick Apply interface, so you can get to them and run them without assigning shortcuts that you then have to remember. For example, to connect 2 selected endpoints, press Command/Ctrl+Return to display the Quick Apply panel, type &quot;connect&quot;, scroll to and select &quot;Object Menu:Path&gt;Connect&quot;.

3. InDesign contains some &quot;embedded&quot; hidden shortcuts, which are so secret that they&#039;re not even listed in the keyboard shortcuts interface (or poster), so you must dig them out from the shortcuts documentation in the InDesign help.
Two of those are the &quot;Increase kerning between words&quot; and &quot;Decrease kerning between words&quot;, which is basically the starting point of what Teacup&#039;s Type Fitter plug-in does, only the PI affords much more robust features (I&#039;ve been using it since the CS days).

4. Using optical kerning, especially on justified text, will cause the layout process to become much heavier and will result in slower more sluggish behavior. Apply justification values for Letter Spacing and Glyph Scaling, and it becomes worse. And the slower your machine is, the more you suffer.
From my point of view, optical kerning is meant to be used locally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great podcast, as always.</p>
<p>Here are some comments:<br />
1. The hidden Path command were also available in CS2 (at least this is when I encountered them, and been spilling their secret hiding-place since). </p>
<p>2. Although hidden, in CS3 the hidden Path commands (and some other) will show-up in the Quick Apply interface, so you can get to them and run them without assigning shortcuts that you then have to remember. For example, to connect 2 selected endpoints, press Command/Ctrl+Return to display the Quick Apply panel, type &#8220;connect&#8221;, scroll to and select &#8220;Object Menu:Path&gt;Connect&#8221;.</p>
<p>3. InDesign contains some &#8220;embedded&#8221; hidden shortcuts, which are so secret that they&#8217;re not even listed in the keyboard shortcuts interface (or poster), so you must dig them out from the shortcuts documentation in the InDesign help.<br />
Two of those are the &#8220;Increase kerning between words&#8221; and &#8220;Decrease kerning between words&#8221;, which is basically the starting point of what Teacup&#8217;s Type Fitter plug-in does, only the PI affords much more robust features (I&#8217;ve been using it since the CS days).</p>
<p>4. Using optical kerning, especially on justified text, will cause the layout process to become much heavier and will result in slower more sluggish behavior. Apply justification values for Letter Spacing and Glyph Scaling, and it becomes worse. And the slower your machine is, the more you suffer.<br />
From my point of view, optical kerning is meant to be used locally.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave

Interesting, I went through a lot of my fonts and Gil Sans seems to be the only real culprit.

To me it seems as though in general Gil Sans has way too much kerning between space and punctuation. It looks horrible no matter what combination it is.

I don&#039;t see why a threesome should ever cause any more problems than a twosome. If &quot; T&quot; need kerning and &quot;. &quot; need kerning then why wouldn&#039;t the three together need kerning. The problem with Gil Sans is that &quot; .&quot; don&#039;t need kerning (at least not the ridiculous amounts that it currently has).

In general, the whole idea that the punctuation space combination need kerning doesn&#039;t seem right to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave</p>
<p>Interesting, I went through a lot of my fonts and Gil Sans seems to be the only real culprit.</p>
<p>To me it seems as though in general Gil Sans has way too much kerning between space and punctuation. It looks horrible no matter what combination it is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why a threesome should ever cause any more problems than a twosome. If &#8221; T&#8221; need kerning and &#8220;. &#8221; need kerning then why wouldn&#8217;t the three together need kerning. The problem with Gil Sans is that &#8221; .&#8221; don&#8217;t need kerning (at least not the ridiculous amounts that it currently has).</p>
<p>In general, the whole idea that the punctuation space combination need kerning doesn&#8217;t seem right to me.</p>
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		<title>By: David Blatner</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Blatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel and Alan: Yes, I&#039;m aware of the Paths:Connect feature (we would have talked about it in the post if our conversation about our different experiences with Join hadn&#039;t rambled on so long... believe me, that &quot;tick tock&quot; effect was far more interesting than the actual discussion!).

No, I&#039;m not using Connect. I&#039;m using Join, but sometimes it does a &quot;join&quot; and sometimes it does a &quot;connect&quot; -- primarily with odd-shaped lines drawn with the Pencil tool. I&#039;ve got a query in to Adobe about the inconsistent behavior. It&#039;s a weird one! We&#039;ll let you know when or if we ever figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel and Alan: Yes, I&#8217;m aware of the Paths:Connect feature (we would have talked about it in the post if our conversation about our different experiences with Join hadn&#8217;t rambled on so long&#8230; believe me, that &#8220;tick tock&#8221; effect was far more interesting than the actual discussion!).</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not using Connect. I&#8217;m using Join, but sometimes it does a &#8220;join&#8221; and sometimes it does a &#8220;connect&#8221; &#8212; primarily with odd-shaped lines drawn with the Pencil tool. I&#8217;ve got a query in to Adobe about the inconsistent behavior. It&#8217;s a weird one! We&#8217;ll let you know when or if we ever figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,

I did in my discussion of the &quot;. T&quot; triplet. &quot;. &quot; has the space on the right while &quot; T&quot; has it on the left. Put the three together and the space is severely crimped and disappears altogether in some fonts -- Gill Sans being the most famous example.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>I did in my discussion of the &#8220;. T&#8221; triplet. &#8220;. &#8221; has the space on the right while &#8221; T&#8221; has it on the left. Put the three together and the space is severely crimped and disappears altogether in some fonts &#8212; Gill Sans being the most famous example.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Alan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the mystery of why David&#039;s shortcut and Anne-Marie&#039;s for joining paths were doing different things is that David&#039;s shortcut is actually running &quot;Paths:Connect&quot; instead of &quot;Paths:Join&quot;. The Connect function does, indeed, insert a path segment; Join does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the mystery of why David&#8217;s shortcut and Anne-Marie&#8217;s for joining paths were doing different things is that David&#8217;s shortcut is actually running &#8220;Paths:Connect&#8221; instead of &#8220;Paths:Join&#8221;. The Connect function does, indeed, insert a path segment; Join does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Could you explain what you mean &quot;having space characters on both sides of kern pairs in their fonts&quot;?

Could you give me an example of what you are talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Could you explain what you mean &#8220;having space characters on both sides of kern pairs in their fonts&#8221;?</p>
<p>Could you give me an example of what you are talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Harbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Optical kerning definitely takes much more processing power. You might or might not notice it in regular use. One place it&#039;s very noticeable, is with scripting. Text processing in long stories will take much longer if optical kerning is active.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Optical kerning definitely takes much more processing power. You might or might not notice it in regular use. One place it&#8217;s very noticeable, is with scripting. Text processing in long stories will take much longer if optical kerning is active.</p>
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