Comments on: InDesignSecrets Podcast 085

By: Bert Farry

Bert Farry — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:15:08 +0000

On focus and on blur, I believe is from program (object based) and is use to give attention to the object focus or to not give attention blur.
Some uses are for tabbing, and it is also use to do thing like giving focus to a object without actually selecting it. U can also write code that is handle when it go to focus or to blur

By: Diane S

Diane S — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:15:43 +0000

OK, Im just now listening to this podcast. I, like Sandee, thought of reindeer as soon as A-M and David said On Focus/On Blur. But then when Sandee went on with the tutorial, I imagined her to look like Albert from Rankin and Bass’ Twas the Night Before Christmas:
http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens1568290_albert2.jpg

Sorry Sandee.

By: Eugene Tyson

Eugene Tyson — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:37:19 +0000

AND, to add to that, if you just wanted ONE master page, and you had different spreads using different spots. You could use variables to pick up text for running heads and colour them with Registration, rather than creating separate master pages.

By: Eugene

Eugene — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:03:39 +0000

Oh, Scott, I wasn’t suggesting anyone do it. It would be a use of Registration if you weren’t too bothered about the final outcome of colour.

Of course InDesign can already create this effect, as I stated in my original post.

By: Scott Falkner

Scott Falkner — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:38:15 +0000

Eugene was suggesting using Registration to blend two spot colours to simulate a third. But since InDesign can already do that, it’s a bad idea to use Registration for that Your colours won’t look right on screen or on print, and it’s confusing and unintuitive.

By: John Clifford

John Clifford — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:28:51 +0000

Yes, but reg marks and crop marks are used by the PRESSMAN to ensure that things are lining up correctly. Is that really necessary with a perf or fold mark? It just seems superfluous to me.

I’m unsure what Eugene has in mind. If you identify running heads as registration in a 3-spot color job, on the master, then EVERY page would have a 3-spot-color head made up of 100% of each of the spot colors. They would not be different colors on different pages.

Maybe I’m missing something here again. If so, please enlighten me.

Thanks,

By: Scott Falkner

Scott Falkner — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:05:16 +0000

>Okay, so using Registration for perf and fold marks might not be a good idea after all.

John’s was a bad example. The Registration fold/perf marks appear outside the print area, just like the document name, page number, and crop marks. That information is just as superfluous as fold/perf marks and is also printed in Registration.

The value in using Registration is that the information is on every plate, not just Black. Not all jobs print with Black, but all jobs print with Registration.

By: Eugene

Eugene — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:45:49 +0000

You could use registration for a spot colour job.

Say for example you had a 12 page brochure. But you only wanted to use 3 colours.

One spot colour for a 4 page section. Another for another 4 and another for another 4.

It would be handy to just have 1 Master Page that had the running heads, page numbers et al objects/graphics/text information just in Registration.

Otherwise you may have to create 3 master pages with the running heads all in one place with different spots assigned to them.

It’s just an example off the top of my head, it’s probably not a great one, but I’m sure there’s more complex reasons to use registration like this.

Oh, it could that you want to use 2 spot colours in your document, but you want to overlay them exactly on top of each other. Rather than make a multi-ink or other type of spot colour, you could just use the Registration.

So a page could just have yellow and blue, with a green banner. Still using 2 colours, but just mixing the two spots. (again just an example).

Here’s a quick and dirty example and the side bar and text was done using Registration, the rectangles at the bottom are created using spots.

http://tinyurl.com/5uzyj5

By: John Clifford

John Clifford — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:03:18 +0000

Thanks David.

I tell my design students (learning prepress–if you can imagine) to NEVER use registration and give them the reasons why. The comments here made me question my 35+ years in prepress (OK, the first 15 years were as a typesetter).

Have fun with the recording!

By: David Blatner

David Blatner — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:44:45 +0000

@John: Ha! You make a compelling argument. Shame-on-me for answering while sipping an ice tea at a Mexican restaurant in Ventura, California, after a too-long day in a dark booth shooting videos for Lynda.com. Okay, so using Registration for perf and fold marks might not be a good idea after all. Can anyone else find a compelling reason to use Registration color?

@Roland: You are right that this is what a lot of people use Registration for… it is a “rich black,” but it’s far too rich! As you know, it should not be used for that, as it’s too much ink in one place. Better to make your own rich black. In fact, that would be a good thing for Adobe to add to the Swatches panel — have both Black and Rich Black!

(And add Pantone 286, too. Just because it’s my favorite color.)

Okay, back to the recording booth….