Podcast 106 Transcript
To hear the audio episode from which this transcript was made, or to comment on this episode, go to the InDesignSecrets Podcast 106 page.
[Intro music]
Anne-Marie Concepcion: Welcome to InDesignSecrets episode 106. I’m Anne-Marie Concepcion and I’m here along with my handsome cohost David A Blatner.
David Blatner: [laughs] Hello Anne-Marie.
Anne-Marie: Hi David. Can I call you Davy? I’m tired of David.
David: You cannot call me Davy. That it is actually one of the few things that you may not call me, but almost anything else will work.
Anne-Marie: No. Like Davy Jones from The Monkees is what I’m thinking of.
David: You know, Davy Jones, that’s the reason I don’t want to be called Davy.
Anne-Marie: Oh.
David: It’s because he is the only Davy. Davy should be reserved just for him.
Anne-Marie: All right.
David: There are no other Davys.
Anne-Marie: All right.
David: There’s Dave, there’s Big Dave, you can call me. There’s a lot of things…
Anne-Marie: BD for Big Dave.
David: That will work too.
Anne-Marie: OK, anyway, David is my cohost on our podcast and blog at InDesignSecrets.com, where we are the independent resource for all things inDesign.
David: It is true. And today we’ve got a really exciting show, something completely different. It’s the old “now for something completely different”. Today we have an interview with guest Chris Kitchener, Senior Product Manager of the InDesign family. We’ll get to that in just a moment, but we also are going to be talking about a few other cool things.
We’ll talk a little bit about the eseminars that we’ve been doing. Anne-Marie is going to be doing a webinar coming up that we’ve got a discount code for you. And a couple of new blog posts, some interesting things that you should know about, things about interactive PDFs and accessibility, Section 508 stuff, etc. etc.
And of course, we will always, always do the Obscure InDesign Feature Of The Week [echoes]. And today’s is “crop to media”. Crop to media, that’ll be interesting to find out where that is. Where is the “crop to media” feature in InDesign?
Anne-Marie: Yes, it’s something that you see a lot but you sort of gloss over.
David: It’s true, it’s true, but also…
Anne-Marie: But first… Yes?
David: Oh. Yes, no.
Anne-Marie: Go ahead, I’m sorry.
David: No, after you.
Anne-Marie: All right. It’s like that cartoon with the two chipmunks, “Oh please, after you.” “After you.” “No, after you.”
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: We have a sponsor of the episode…
David: We do.
Anne-Marie: Our friend Harbs at InTools.com, maker of World Tools and the suite of tools for people who do cool stuff with InDesign’s CS3 or CS4 in English or in any language that’s right to left.
David: That’s true.
Anne-Marie: What’s interesting is you’ve just told me… I’ve even realized that he has a blog.
David: He does.
Anne-Marie: Yes.
David: He’s just created a new blog, he sort of redid he website, he created a new blog. One of the reasons he did that was he’s not just doing these products, he’s also putting out free scripts and blog posts, interesting things about InDesign and so on. So you should definitely check that out InTools.com.
Anne-Marie: Right. If you go to InTools.com it automatically jumps you over to the home page of his WordPress blog where he has… What’s new with all these very cool scripts, just like you were saying. I’m looking here at “Jump to Page in Book”…
David: Yes, yes.
Anne-Marie: Just like “jump to page” in an individual document but now you can “jump to page” in a book.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: It might be in a different file. And…
David: Another one he has up there is the “Merge Tables” script, so that if you have two different tables, you want to merge them together, either horizontally or vertically, you merge them together. Really nice, nice work. He works with a lot of textbook publishers and people who are doing long documents, so he often finds these needs that are out there.
Anne-Marie: Yes.
David: And he fills them with relatively simple, or sometimes rather complex, scripts. Some of them are free and then some he charges for. So it’s definitely worth checking out the InTools site, and we don’t say that just because he’s a sponsor of course. We do probably…
Anne-Marie: No.
David: But I’m just really impressed with the kind of stuff that’s up there. So that’s…
Anne-Marie: Yes, he’s always on the InDesign user to user forums…
David: He is.
Anne-Marie: Suggesting scripts or writing scripts. And also in the comments to our blog posts.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: People say, “How come InDesign can’t do whatever?” “Here try this script.” Like, “Oh my gosh.”
David: It’s just terrific, so we’re really pleased to have Harbs as part of the big InDesignSecrets community. Oh yes.
Anne-Marie: It’s a good thing.
David: All right. Hey, let’s talk about those eseminars just for a minute here. We’ve done a couple of the eseminars recently. Diane Burns did that one on tables. Steve Werner did one on preparing documents for prepress, basically making sure your document’s are set up in a way that will print.
Anne-Marie: Best practices for print. Yes.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: Yes, he did very well. For CS3 and CS4. And I was the host for both of those webinars.
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: I got to introduce them.
David: You’re the woman. There’s no doubt about it.
Anne-Marie: That’s right, that’s right. It was fun.
David: And the cool thing is that those were recorded and we are now able to sell those eseminars to people who weren’t able to go to them. So if you are interested in seeing either of those if you’re interested in tables, you want to get the lowdown on tables or on best practices for print definitely check those out, and we’ll put the links in the show note, to get to those. But it’s just… Can we just give them here?
Anne-Marie: Yes, I think so. Yes.
David: idtables.eventbrite.com or idprint.eventbrite.com, both of those will take you there and you can sign up for those. Really welldone seminars, I was really pleased. It’s like going to a conference, you know. You go to a conference, sit in a room, but with the eseminar you don’t have to get on an airplane and travel to the conference.
Anne-Marie: [laughs]
David: You get all the same kind of cool information, but you can just see it in your web browser.
Anne-Marie: Yes.
David: It’s awesome. An hour worth of awesome information, so check those out.
Anne-Marie: And next week I know this is last notice but next week on Thursday, I’m doing a webinar for my friends over at McMurray Publishing. They publish two great newsletters. One’s called “Copy Editing”. I don’t know if you remember I think I talked about it on the podcast I did an InCopy webinar for them a couple of months ago.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: That was very well attended, I was amazed. Then they asked me to do another one this summer for their other newsletter, it used to be called “Publication Management”, now it’s called “ContentWise”. Because it’s all about the content, baby!
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: Right. Yes.
David: That’s funny.
Anne-Marie: Really, when it comes down to it. It might not be a publication, but it’s all about content. And it’s for graphic designers, and I said, “You have graphic designers who read ContentWise?” and they said, “Yes we do.” “Graphic Design in 2009.” What I’m going to be talking about is things like how are you supposed to make money. [laughs] Right.
David: Right.
Anne-Marie: Moving from print to web, or all the other ways to… There’s different revenue opportunities available for graphic designers in this brave new world of ours that I’ll be talking about. I came up with this idea because my daughter’s roommate I think I mentioned got laid off from here publishing job, like 10,000 other people in the world in the past year.
She was interviewing at publishers, she asked me for any tips. I said, “If I were working for a publisher and I was hiring somebody, here are the kind of things I’d like to hear come out of their mouth during the interview, you know.
“There are the kind of things that would bring value to you. These are the kind of things that you should know about.
David: Awesome.
Anne-Marie: So that’s what I’ll be talking about at the webinar. If you want to go, they charge $129 if you’re not a subscriber. But you can use my discount code of “GEEKNESS”…
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: …In the field marked “Promo code” and then get in for $99…
David: Awesome.
Anne-Marie: …which is the subscriber cost. And I will put a link to how to get there. But it’s becontentwise.com. All right, so what about our friend Chris?
David: Chris! Well, tell you what? I drove down to Abode yesterday and I had a nice visit with Chris Kitchener, and I recorded the whole thing. And so I thought we should pass it on to you. It’s a little insight into world of Chris Kitchener. [Interview with Chris Kitchener]
David: So I am sitting here with Chris Kitchener, who is the senior product manager for the InDesign family of products if I am getting this right.
Chris Kitchener: That’s right…and great pause there.
David: I am trying to think about what is the InDesign family of products, what does that mean?
Chris: Well, we obviously have InDesign which everyone is familiar with and uses mostly on a day to day basis. But of course, we have InCopy and InDesign Server, which is part of the family and based on the same codebase. So it’s kind of shared technology across the products.
David: So all three of those: InCopy, InDesign and InDesign Server. And Server, of course, is something that’s very dear to your heart. I know you have been working on that for awhile.
Chris: It is. Before I sort of took over this role where I look after all of the products, previously I was looking after specifically InDesign Server and also a couple of bits of InDesign.
David: A couple of bit…? Tells us a little about your background and how you fell into this position of the daddy of the pride of the family of products?
Chris: In terms of the background, that’s a tricky question, because we could go on for twenty minutes about the background.
David: Sure, yeah.
Chris: My accent suggests that I come from the UK. And that’s probably a good place to start, that I have worked for Abode now for coming up eight years. The first five years of which was based in London, and I worked as a business development manager for Adobe. And that’s a grand title for going out meeting with customers, showing them InDesign, showing them InCopy, and then later InDesign Server.
And from that point, 2006 I think it was, I had an opportunity to move to the U.S., which was a great opportunity and come work in the InDesign team itself. I worked in the marketing department here at Adobe for around InDesign Server.
And then towards the end of last year, hopefully because of my background and experience with the customers and the product, I became the product manager for InDesign Server. And now, I have transitioned into looking after all of the products.
David: And so, what does that mean “looking after?” Can you give us an idea of what you do for this?
Chris: Yes, it’s probably one of the most varied jobs I think you will come across at Adobe. And whilst that’s incredibly rewarding, it’s also incredibly challenging at the same time. You could describe in lots of different ways: A shepherd for the product, might be a good way to talk about it. Another way to talk about it is the business owner. I mean one of the things that a product manager does is, it’s kind of the bridge between the world of our customers who use the products and then the internal workings of Adobe the engineering teams, the program management teams who then make InDesign a reality.
And it’s really kind of bringing all of those things together. So a lot of our time is spent working with the customers, talking to customers; and customers across a broad spectrum.
So it’s not just kind of one specific group, it’s everything from freelancers and designers to ad agencies to catalog companies to a whole host of other customers.
And then bringing those ideas back, marshalling them together, working out what we can achieve and when we can achieve it. And then working with the engineering teams and the other folks within Adobe to kind of bring it to reality, and then sort of at certain periods come out with new versions of the product.
David: So do you just come up with ideas yourself like, “Wow! I wish InDesign had this feature,” and just make it happen?
Chris: I would love to. It’s the dream everyone has. And frankly, when I was working in London, it was always the case of: “Well, we should just do that. It’s so easy when you do that.” When you get here, you realize that life is a little bit more complicated and, frankly, it’s a bit more exciting. I use the term shepherd, and that’s kind of a good term, because it’s…sure we love to come up with ideas and, frankly, the ideas within Adobe come from everyone.
I mean literary everyone at Adobe comes and says “Hey, why don’t we do this? There is this problem we have come across, and how can we solve this?” But it’s very much also a case of listening to customers.
And what’s interesting for me as a product manager is it’s a real mix of evolving what we have, solving problems that have existed for ages and we haven’t made much to solve before, solving new problems.
And frankly, then looking ahead one year, two year, five years ahead and saying, “Well, what is it our customers are going to be doing? And what problems do we need to plan to solve now, that they are going encounter in five years time.”
We take ideas from everywhere. And frankly, I think we have a great track record of customer feedback. I think you can consistently see for every version of each of our products, there’s always a big list of features where customers said they wanted this, customers said they wanted…this was a problem that was killing them or making it more difficult to do business and we could help them. So it’s a really important part of what we do.
David: And when you are working with engineers, do they have their own ideas of how things are supposed to work? How do you work with engineers I mean it’s a big team?
Chris: It is a big team. And I think one of things about the engineers is that they have such an immense pool of experience and expertise. These engineers have been working on this product and products like it. I mean, we even got some people from the PageMaker days. So they have huge amounts of experience. And so they will come up with ideas that we just never considered before. We just thought: “Wow, we haven’t even considered we could do something like that.”
And the thing that I enjoy also doing is bringing back to the engineers the: “I don’t know how we solve this, but we solve this problem. We went to this customer, we went to a number of customers, and they said this is a problem for us. How can we solve this?”
And again, I don’t claim to have all the answers, but it’s great to be able to go back to an engineering team and say, “OK guys, here’s the problem. How do we go about and solve this?” And I think we’ve had some really great examples again over the years of how we can go and do this.
Something people often say to me and I have often heard is: “Oh, well, loads of great new features in this version. How do you work out what we are going to do in the next version?” But the one thing that I can actually say is: There is no shortage of features that we think about. I don’t think we will ever run out of things, problems we can solve, and things we can do better the next time.
David: Well, speaking of features, I just want to ask you about what features you enjoy most about in InDesign. Everyone always have their favorites, what they like, what kind of tickles their funny bone a little bit. What is it that you most enjoy about InDesign?
Chris: That’s an interesting question for someone who is so intimately involved. It kind of suggests that I go home at night and have a discussion with my wife about our favorite food is. It’s not quite like that, so I have to be careful. But there’s a couple. I mean the one that stands out to me is the CS4. And I wasn’t as involved with CS4. So to some degree I kind of almost have a bit of an outsiders view on this.
But the one that I really love is Smart Guides. And the reason why I love Smart Guides is because it symbolizes that if you solve a problem well, you wonder how you lived without it before you had the feature. And I think it’s a really great example of something that appears when you need it, disappears when you don’t need it, doesn’t get in your way, but it’s just great.
And it’s fine because…I mean, you have your own views of what’s your favorite feature and what’s not. I hear this consistently from people that there’s all the bigger features that’s great and solves these problems, but little things like Smart Guides really makes the difference.
So I really do, really do, love it. And I distinctly remember seeing the feature first demoed and getting exciting about it. You see this on our engineers faces when they build something like this, they are as excited about building it as users are about using it, and that’s fantastic.
So that’s probably one that immediately springs to mind. Then there’s things like Live Preflight. The problems that Live Preflight solves are the things that have been around for years and years and years. “Oh, people have put those images in here, and we can never catch it” or “Oh, there was an over subtext, and we didn’t see it.” And it was just something that sits there…again, it’s another one of those great ones that sits in the background and doesn’t get in the way.
And there is a light and it says, “Hey, the green or [inaudible 16:31] red, and we will go tell you about it,” And I think that’s another great one as well, and I see a big future for that both for our customers and for us as well.
Let’s see, let’s pick one…actually it’s a bit of a challenge I was going to say let’s pick one in InDesign Server. But this is a feature which is, again, across the whole family, and makes a good point that when we think about building these features, we just don’t think about, “OK, here’s a feature that’s just for InDesign.”
We think: “Well, we have a family of products that work together and work in different ways. How can we kind of make the most of that”…and that’s IDML.
So InDesign markup language, for those of you who aren’t familiar with it. And it’s one of these great things, it’s an XML technology, which generally gets people pretty scared or not very interested.
Well, this is something which is available or you can use in various forms in InDesign, InCopy and in InDesign Server. But for those of you who aren’t familiar with it, it’s a way of representing the full richness of an InDesign page in an XML format.
Now for most people: ”Wonderful! I now have an XML file.” But not very exciting for a lot of people. But when you start looking at automation and people with XML workflows, all of a sudden it starts working up. Some really cool avenues for things you can do. So with InDesign Server now, we have a lot of partners who know a lot about InDesign and can poke into InDesign Server and do lots of great things in an automated fashion. But equally, we have a lot of other customers that say, “Well, we don’t have that experience to write plug ins, all these complicated scripts. But we know all there is to know about XML.” And all of a sudden IDML gives our customers an opportunity to find new ways to engage in a design process using InDesign.
Now, again, that’s all pretty general in terms of that there is this great technology, but how does it relate to me? Well, there’s been a really good recent example of the use of IDML the “Obama First Hundred Days” book, which I think was publicized quite a lot. And it’s HP and a couple of other partners and some customers built this solution. And actually underneath it all lives InDesign Server.
And what’s cool about this solution is a couple of things. The first thing is the whole point of this was: There is the big coffee table book that has lots of fantastic photographs of Obama first hundred days. But you can go on to a web browser, and you can then customize that book. So you can put your own text in, you can upload photographs from when the election was on, when you heard the announcement all that kind of stuff.
And then they will print that coffee table book for you.
David: Wow!
Chris: And that’s all done in the background, and part of that is in InDesign Server. And frankly, all of that again is driven by IDML. Now that’s interesting for customers to say, “Wow, there’s some great opportunities for automation and customization.” From a more technical standpoint, what was really great for us was I spoke to HP about this. And traditionally these things take quite a long time to build; it’s got quite a lot of sophistication. And its turns out that with IDML, they turned this thing around in a matter of months.
And what was great to see was that a partner who hadn’t been involved in this technology before, using IDML could turn out this fantastic product in such a short period of time.
David: Wow!
Chris: So IDML not one that everyday users would see. But what’s nice is this hint about what’s underneath InDesign, is the stuff that you see every day and you use every day as a designer, get your jobs out on time and get them out reliably. But there’s also a lot of stuff that underpins that people can use as well for different things.
David: Excellent. Thank you very much. This is a great insight into the world of Chris Kitchener.
Chris: Thank you very much.
Anne-Marie: That was fun!
David: Yeah. I had a good time.
Anne-Marie: Chris is very cool. I have met him a couple of times, but never had a chance to sit down with him like you did. So he loves Smart Guides.
David: He does…he does, and for good reason. I mean Smart Guides are just extraordinary. For people who haven’t upgraded to CS4 yet, it’s just one of those great reasons to upgrade. It is a really amazing feature. And it’s a very subtle, little thing. But it just makes all the difference when you are laying out pages. So it’s very cool. Yeah. And we shared doughnuts, and he is a big doughnut fan.
Anne-Marie: And the book that he was talking about “The Obama Time Capsule”?
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: You know there is a website for that, right.
David: I haven’t seen that. Where is that?
Anne-Marie: Go to: www.theobamatimecapsule.com. Its shows a video of what the book looks like. It shows like where you personalize it. Do you know it has a pop up right in the middle of it? It’s pretty cool.
David: Nice.
Anne-Marie: Yeah. So its “how to log in, how to order it from Amazon, ” and all sorts of stuff.
David: Excellent.
Anne-Marie: And that’s interesting that it was done with IDML.
David: Absolutely, yeah. It’s an InDesign revolution. So very cool, very cool. Hey, before we go, we should mention just a couple of more things quickly. I wanted to point out there is a couple of new movies at Linda.com. I did a title on interactive PDF and the 10 things you better know if you are going to be doing interactive PDFs with InDesign. And you have given several new movies titles that came out recently. I think you talked about some of them but…
Anne-Marie: Oh, yeah. I think I am going to move over there. [laughter] They have the Emery Memorial or honorary recording studio.
David: I hope not memorial?
Anne-Marie: No, not memorial. The most recent one I did was on tips for trouble shooting files.
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: I am going back there in three weeks to record something completely different.
David: Ah, more completely different stuff.
Anne-Marie: Ummhuh.
David: And we will be sure to let the world know as soon as it’s available. That’s good.
Anne-Marie: But yes, your interactive PDF is one that’s in great demand. What’s one tip from that, if you can spill the beans? What would be one interesting thing that you discovered while you were recording? Because I always discover new things as I am recording something. I’ll be like…I am doing a run through and I am like: “Oh, I didn’t know it could do that? OK, now I have to rewrite my [inaudible 22:38] line.”
David: You know it wasn’t something that I really discovered, but it was more I finally got around to trying it. It was something I knew …I knew how to do it, but I never tried it. And it was doing slides. You know people are increasing using InDesign to do the slide presentations.
Anne-Marie: I saw that in the Lynda.com newsletter that one of the things you talk about is … or no you said it, is how to do bullet point slides?
David: Yea bullet point slides. If you got several bullet points on the slide: how to break it up. It’s not pleasant to do but it can be done: break it up so that each slide shows one bullet point. You know the first one, then the first two, then the first three and so on.
Anne-Marie: It is like hiding and showing stuff?
David: No in this case I just did it even simpler than that: just break it down into three different slides. If you have three bullet points each slide is … the key is when you are making interactive PDFs, you have to think in terms of each page of your InDesign document is a different view of your slide. So if you have one slide that shows three different bullet points, you are going to need three different pages in InDesign. It sounds painful, but it actually isn’t that big of a deal once you’re working. It’s obviously not as….
Anne-Marie: I think that this is a feature request. It’s a feature request for CS5: “Please add a bullet build function.”
David: Oh I love that.
Anne-Marie: Right, just like how Keynote has and PowerPoint has. Just a build function that’s all.
David: Yea, just build it out. There’s no doubt that increasingly InDesign is going to have to add features that will let people make these kind of interactive documents. They’ve already added so many cool things with the buttons, page transitions and so on. They just need to keep pushing it and that’s one of those things we are going to pushing Adobe to do: give us more features that let us make interactive documents.
You know I don’t want to use PowerPoint. Please save me!
Anne-Marie: Maybe we are suppose to be using.. What’s it called? Prism Presentations?
David: Presentation? That’s a good point. No doubt that’s a good point. Adobe is going to be pushing to use Presentations, which is currently at labs.adobe.com. Put up the acrobat.com daily bumper. I don’t know. To me InDesign is a layout tool. I don’t care what I’m laying out. I’m laying out a page or image.
Anne-Marie: You’re absolutely right. It is like how Publication Management changed name to ContentWise. It’s all about content. And InDesign is all about the layout.
David: Exactly, it really is. That’s increasingly what I’m into.
Anne-Marie: That’s right… And busy man, busy man. You’ve also finished a white paper.
David: Oh, that’s true. I contributed to a white paper that is now up at adobe.com. Some of you may have seen this in Twitter or our blog post. It is an accessibility white paper. I got really into this issue of accessibility: creating PDFs out of InDesign that are accessible to people who have visual disabilities. If they need to use a screen reader or a translator into Braille or whatever, you have to make a PDF that can be read on those kinds of devices. A lot of people have to makes these. It is government mandated under Section 508, whatever blah blah blah. It’s a mandate you’ve got to do it.
Anne-Marie: Just like with accessible websites. If you are doing a website for the National Institute of Health, you have to make a Section 508 compliant website.
David: That’s right, that’s right. Anything that goes up on the web, including PDFs has to be accessible. You should be able to make a relatively accessible PDF in InDesign but it is not always obvious how. There is sort of varying levels of accessibility. So I sort of laid all that out in this white paper on tutorial, on what you can do in InDesign and what you can’t do in InDesign. What you will have to in Acrobat instead and here’s the workflow.
Some of it is really not intuitive, I really had to dig around and figure out what to do but hopefully that will be useful for people. Adobe has it up on their accessibility page. Hopefully that will get people making more accessible documents from here on out.
Thank you for mentioning that.
Anne-Marie: Sure.
David: OK. Let’s talk about that obscure InDesign feature of the week! [sound effect]
Anne-Marie: This week the obscure feature is “Crop to, colon, space, media”.
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: Or something. Crop to something. Who crops that?
David: Where is that?
Anne-Marie: Well I said, “colon, space” because media is only one choice of a few in the drop down menu. That appears in “Import Options” for certain types of files. Correct?
David: Yup, yup.
Anne-Marie: If you place something where you get a see a preview of the page. I believe this is true for PDF and InDesign files,
David: Yup, exactly.
Anne-Marie: …that you have a choice of how it should crop it as it comes in. With Illustrator files, crop to artwork, crop to page and that kind of thing. Right now I have a place PDF and I’m looking at page one and “Crop to Media” or “Crop to Crop”. It appears to be the same thing.
What are the details behind the “Crop to Media”? I assume that it is the media box, is what they are referring to?
David: Yeah, the media box. Basically, the size of the media. I use this a lot because if I’m importing a PDF file, I often will want to … the whole page. Let’s say the PDF is on an 8.5 by 11 letter size page. When I place the whole PDF by default I don’t get that whole 8.5 by 11. I only get the size of the artwork on the page because I think by default, it is set to crop to bounding box.
Bounding box is the size of a rectangle that will fit all of the artwork. It is actually smaller than the 8.5 by 11. If I really want to force it all the way out to the edges of the page, the media, I need to chose “Media” from that “Crop to” pop up menu. So I find that really useful. Again you just turn on “Import Options” and you have that option.
The other place where you will find that “Crop to” is in the “Relink” dial out box. If you are relinking from one PDF to another or an InDesign file to a PDF or whatever, you select that in link panel and click “Relink”. Then you will have the options to “Show Import Options” there as well. If you “Show Import Options” you can turn those on and off.
Let’s say I opened up PDF, I imported the PDF, that didn’t’ open it but place the PDF in my InDesign document. I relied that it wasn’t going out to the edges, the edges of the page, it didn’t go out to the edge of the media. I could click “Relink”, relink to itself, turn on “Show Import Options” and click OK.
Now I have an option to relink it to the full media, not just the bounding box of that artwork.
Anne-Marie: Good.
David: So there you go! “Crop to”.
Anne-Marie: Now you know.
David: Now you know those are the options for “Crop to.”
Anne-Marie: That’s right. That’s it for episode 106. Be sure to check out the show notes on our blog at InDesignSecrets.com where we’ll have links to the many URLs and discount codes and things like that, that we’ve mentioned. We’d love to hear what you thought of the show: leave a comment in the “Show Notes” or email us at info@InDesignSecrets.com. And until we meet again this is Anne-Marie and…
David: David Blatner, for InDesign Secrets! [ending music]