Podcast 70 Transcript

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David Blatner: Welcome to InDesign Secrets, Episode 070. How could we possibly have gotten all the way to 70, the big 70. I’m David Blatner, and I’m here along with my co-host, Anne-Marie Concepción.

Anne-Marie Concepción: Hi, there.

David: Our podcast and blog at InDesignSecrets.com are the independent resource for all things in design.

Anne-Marie: In, ein, ein, ein.

David: Ein, in, in, in.

Anne-Marie: All right. So, today we are going to run through a slew of important news and updates.

David: A slew?

Anne-Marie: A slew. s-l-e-w, slew.

David: A lot of stuff.

Anne-Marie: Yes. We have news on free scripts and plug-ins that we think you should know about. We have to announce the Quizzler winner. I know everybody has been waiting with bated breath for the Quizzler winner. We’ll talk about that in a bit.

We have also had a ton of hot posts recently. Posts to the InDesignSecrets.com blog where we’ve gotten tons of replies and comments and discussions that we want to talk about, including Sandee Cohen’s EPS Challenge post, which she awarded $100. We’ll talk about that. Upper case challenges, as well… What’s so challenging about upper case? We’ll talk about it in a second.

And the obscure InDesign feature of the week. Geek, geek, geek - is normal.

David: Normal. [laughs] Not that we know anything about normal.

Anne-Marie: No. I went to school in Normal.

David: Did you? Normal, Normal.

Anne-Marie: Yeah. For two years, I was at Illinois State University which is in Normal, Illinois.

David: Seriously?

Anne-Marie: Right next to Bloomington.

David: I’ve never been to Normal. I’ve never even been close to Normal.

Anne-Marie: Bloomington-Normal. The Bloomington city newspaper is the Pantagraph.

David: Wow. Really.

Anne-Marie: Apparently, it is an old-fashioned newspaper typesetting name, but we always called it the ‘pantygraph.’

David: [laughs]

Anne-Marie: I just love that newspaper name.

David: OK, the Pantagraph. First, the news. The news is up next. The news. What is the news? The InDesign Conference in Miami Beach is around the corner. It’s a month away. Definitely check it out. It’s going to be lots of fun. I think, it’s going to be the best InDesign Conference ever.

Michael Murphy will be there. Anne-Marie and I will be there. Russell Viers is flying in from Europe to be there.

Anne-Marie: I love Russell.

David: Oh, Russell is like the funniest trainer on the planet. He is incredibly bright and very funny. Also, Branislav Milic is also coming in from Europe for that, and he’s got a lot of excellent tips and tricks always. Deke McClelland who we talked to last time. He’s a late entry to the game. He’s going to be showing up in Miami, and a host of others. It’s going to be… It’s just going to be great. Sandee Cohen - I don’t want to leave anybody out, but it’s…

Anne-Marie: Of course, not.

David: There’s like 15 or 20 different people, so I’m not going to be able to name them all. Check it out. Go to MogoEvents.com, and you’ll find out all about the Miami Beach Conferences. It’s going to be cool. OK.

Let’s see. Adobe released InDesign 5.02 simply with a bunch of bug fixes. You know, I’m completely blanking out. I have no idea what they fixed.

Anne-Marie: They fixed… Hang on. I’ve got the list here. It says it fixed this, that and the other thing.

David: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those were the fix.

Anne-Marie: And, but nothing really having to do with Leopard.

David: Yeah. You know? Some people continue to have some problems, not disastrous problems for most people, but some problems having to do with working with Leopard. The word on the street is that this is something that Apple needs to fix. Apple and Adobe are working closely together, and we’re hoping that there is going to be a Leopard 10 point, whatever point whatever, any moment now. Hopefully, they’ll fix it soon.

Anne-Marie: I think, it’s 5.2 or something like that. We’ll have a link to the 5.2 download, the patch, if you are using InDesign CS3 or InCopy CS3. You should be patched up to 5.02.

David: Yeah.

Anne-Marie: It’s been out for a week or so. You can also get it by checking for updates in InDesign or InCopy.

David: Yeah. Just go to the Help menu and choose Updates. It’ll go find it for you. Right.

What else is out there? Free stuff. More free, free, free. DTP Tools released a new free plug-in, which I am particularly proud of because it has my name splattered all over it.

Anne-Marie: And I think, your picture.

David: And my picture, too. It is, in fact, the David Blatner’s InDesign Tips plug-in, and it’s a whole bunch of tips for InDesign users. People have been asking for this recently. You know, I had done tips. We did an InDesign Secrets plug-in for InDesign CS2. Before that, ALAP did InDesign tips called InTips. But, those have all expired, and to get new tips you need to have the cool David Blatner’s InDesign Tips plug-in from DTP Tools.

We’ll put a link in the show notes so that you can find that. It’s free. It’s easy. There’s all kinds of cool new features in it, and hopefully you will…

Anne-Marie: It pops up every time you start up InDesign. You know, my problem was that I only start up InDesign once every few days. It stays up constantly. There’s little reason why I ever quit out of InDesign, but I found out that I could always invoke it by going to the Help menu. Right?

David: That’s true. Yep. Yep. Go to the Help menu and choose David Blatner’s Tip and it’ll give you a new tip. Excellent point. I like that.

Anne-Marie: Interesting. I just chose it, and the tip is No. 44, ‘Your Default Colors.’ You can add colors that you use all the time to your default swatches pallet. It’s interesting about the swatches pallet - That’s what the Quizzler was about.

David: That’s true. So, we’re going to have to add that… You never know. It’s synchronistic. It actually opens those randomly. You get a random tip each time. Some people like that kind of thing.

OK. There’s other free stuff too we should talk about. Dave Saunders recently posted a very cool script on InDesign Secrets that fixes droopy wraps. There’s a little post, and if you look for the droopy wraps post he talks all about how text wraps around things that are circles don’t usually look right. So, he wished that there was some way to adjust the text wrap of an object, sort of independently of the object itself.

Anne-Marie: Right.

David: There’s various ways to do that, but he came up with a very cool script to do that interactively. That’s free and that’s up there. Also, Scott Zinelli who wrote the Page Exporter Utility has released some new script, which lets you import PDF. The Exporter is all about exporting PDFs and other file formats, but the Import PDF script that he came up with gives you all kinds of controls for importing a multipage PDF in very clever ways. It goes way beyond…

Anne-Marie: Without having to click and click and click and click.

David: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Anne-Marie: It can automatically riffle through your document and put one page of the PDF on each page of your InDesign document according to the rules that you set up.

David: That’s right. There’s a free version of that that comes with InDesign that most people don’t know. It’s free script that does that, but Scott’s goes way beyond that. It gives you a lot more features. So, you can download that. It’s free from InDesignSecrets.com. Check that out.

Anne-Marie: All of the links to these will be in the show notes for Episode 070. Don’t forget.

David: Absolutely. What other news? We have so much news today. Wait. We added a Beginner’s Corner on the blog. If you’re checking out the blog at InDesignSecrets.com, look for “Beginners’ Corner” in the navigation along the left side. We haven’t put a whole bunch there yet; we need to go back and put some of our old beginner stuff there. But, we got a lot of emails from beginners asking beginner-type questions, and we realized, you know, we should have a Beginners’ Corner.

Anne-Marie: Yeah. It’s very easy when we’re trying to come up with a post for the blog to think, “What could I possibly write about that nobody knows yet?”

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Anne-Marie: That’s sort of where my mind goes, and so all of the blog tips turn out to be at least intermediate or advanced level. And yet there are tons of new InDesign users, you know, they couldn’t give a fig about transforming indices into XML or whatever; they just want to know, “How do you get an automatic page number on the page?”

David: Right. Right.

Anne-Marie: Right. I did go back, David, by the way, when I was bored the other day. I went back through about eight months’ worth of posts and added the Beginners’ Corner tag…

David: [laughs] Did you really… Oh, look at that!

Anne-Marie: Yeah. So, if you go to the category, you should see a big long list. If you’re a beginner, we welcome you to the InDesignDecrets.com blog and Podcast. Please continue to send your questions to info@indesignsecrets, and very often we’ll turn them into a post.

David: Yeah, look at that, you added all of those. That’s excellent! Thank you. I didn’t realize that.

Anne-Marie: Yeah, nothing better to do.

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David: OK, so… Oh, hey can I add one more piece of news?

Anne-Marie: One more.

David: Just sneak one in. And that is, our friend Scott Citroen, who is a trainer in New York and a designer extraordinaire, and the head of the New York InDesign Users Group; he has finally come out with his wonderful book, ‘the Professional Design Techniques.’ It’s just called “Professional Design Techniques with Adobe Creative Suite 3.”

It’s a lovely little book; I recommend anybody who has any interest in design… Especially for people who aren’t designers, but who are sort of expected to do design, definitely check it out. It’s really a lovely book, so that’s out now and we’ll put a link in the show notes about that. OK, I’m done with the news.

Anne-Marie: All right.

David: Let’s move on.

Anne-Marie: Move on to the Quizzler.

David: Oh yeah, the Quizzler.

Anne-Marie: The Quizzler that we did in episode 69 was, ‘How many ways can you add a CMYK Swatch to your document without opening up the Swatch’s panel itself?’

David: [laughs] Yes.

Anne-Marie: Yes. Because it’s an interesting Quizzler. It turns out, approximately, a bazillion ways.

David: [laughs]

Anne-Marie: [laughs] One of the reasons it took us so long to follow up with this Podcast is that it’s taken us this long to test all of the answers that people have sent in.

David: Yeah. [laughs]

Anne-Marie: For example, it wasn’t a good sign that the very first response, I believe two days later after that Podcast was published, had 76 possible answers.

David: Well, yeah. [laughs]

Anne-Marie: Do you know how long it takes just to test them?

David: Well… right.

Anne-Marie: But we did get a good number of people who submitted many lists. Nobody ever actually hit 76, but we got lots of them with 15 or 20 or 30. And the winner is, actually, that very first response.

David: Yeah.

Anne-Marie: That was… was it…

David: James Fritz.

Anne-Marie: James Fritz, an Adobe trainer, InDesign trainer extraordinaire from Milwaukee, Wisconsin was the one who submitted 76. Now, James… He also…

David: He didn’t quite understand the rules.

Anne-Marie: He included some Pantone, like ways that had Pantone or spot colors, which we really said CMYK color. So, we had to sort of disqualify the spot color ones, so things like including the spot color in the PDF, that will automatically add it to the Swatches panel when you place the PDF, but it won’t work with the CMYK, with the name ‘CMYK Swatch.’

So, after we winnowed it down, and after we sort of combined all the related ones in his, it was still, what did we say? 31 or 26?

David: Yeah, it was like 26 different ways, which… He didn’t get all of them, but he got… [laughs]

Anne-Marie: Right.

David: He got more than I expected anyone to get; so, I’m very impressed.

Congratulations, James. You win a copy of Deke McClellan’s book, One on One… “InDesign CS3 One on One,” and we’re going to be sending that out to you.

What were some of the other ones that he did come up with? Because there were some really good ones.

Anne-Marie: He had… OK, well first of all, the first one I thought of was to use the eye-dropper to select a color from a placed CMYK image, right?

David: Yep, yep.

Anne-Marie: And then, you can right-click on the Fill Color, that becomes the active Fill Color at the bottom of the tools panel, and choose Add to Swatches.

David: Yep.

Anne-Marie: You can also assign a keyboard shortcut to Add Unnamed Color to Swatches. And then, you can use just the keyboard shortcut after you make that new color the default Fill Color, or the current Fill Color. You can use Quick Apply to choose all those commands from the Swatches Panel Menu like New Color Swatch, Load Swatch; you can create a keyboard shortcut for New Color Swatch or Load Swatch.

David: Yeah. Yeah, sure.

Anne-Marie: You can export an InDesign file that has CMYK colors to tag text format, and then, import or place that tagged text back into InDesign, and that will add the color. If it’s part of the paragraph or character style or object style, the custom CMYK color will come in.

David: We call that really stretching it.

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Anne-Marie: But it works.

David: Yes, it will work, it will work technically.

Anne-Marie: Just about everybody talked about using the Color Panel. So, you can use the Color Panel to mix the CMYK color, and then, you can choose Add to Swatches via right-clicking or choosing it from the panel menu or using a keyboard shortcut.

David: Yeah. That’s the important one.

Anne-Marie: A couple people remembered that you can double-click on the Fill Swatch to get the Adobe Color Picker.

David: I think, they should get minus points for mentioning the Color Picker, personally, because it’s my least favorite feature in the entire program.

Anne-Marie: As long as you make sure that your cursor is in the CMYK fields, then it’ll change to Add CMYK Swatch, and that adds a swatch. Holy molie, you know, one thing he had said was to place a Word or RTF file that has a CMYK color in it, and that should add it to Swatches.

David: Right.

Anne-Marie: Well, I tested that, and my first thought was, “You can specify a CMYK color in Word?” and I found out where you can do it. I speced out a CMYK color, I saved it, I brought it in, I said retain the styles. And it came in, but it got converted to RGB. So, Microsoft…

David: Yeah. You never talked about this, David.

Anne-Marie: So it’s just a big lie, the CMYK thing in Word, I guess.

David: It is. I mean, well, anything that has the word Microsoft in it, pretty much, you can rule out CMYK. I don’t think they actually understand what CMYK is. Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, the publisher; these are all RGB-based things. You’re not going to be working with CMYK there.

Anne-Marie: And the same thing with RTF. Now, that surprised me. I created some text in InDesign; I applied a CMYK color to color some type. I exported that as RTF, and then, I placed that into a new document, and that color, that CMYK color, also got converted to RGB when I brought it in.

David: Yeah, I don’t know if RTF actually supports CMYK. That would be an interesting question. I mean, it may be just a conversion problem from in InDesign’s import filter, but I don’t think so. We’re going to have to check that out whether or not RTF can even support CMYK at all. That would be good to know. Yea, but there were some good ones. He said all of them though. There were a couple that…

Anne-Marie: No, no. What was one that he didn’t get? Oh, he didn’t get, there’s… a couple people mentioned that in any dialog box that has a fill in stroke icon. Say, paragraph style options, you go to character color.

David: Yep.

Anne-Marie: And you’ll see the fill and swatch, the fill and stroke icon next to the list of swatches, but you can double click on that fill color icon and you’ll get a little place where you can mix CMYK and then, an add button, that’s the key, the add button will add it to your swatches.

David: Yes. That’s the trickiest one. I really like that. I’m really glad that some people got that. James you got it! Got to learn that one. That’s a really clever one.

Anne-Marie: We’re very disappointed that you didn’t get that one, James. All sorts of loading paragraph styles and character styles, and object styles and table styles from other documents that.

David: Snippets.

Anne-Marie: ….colors. Loading master pages. You know, one new thing that I learned from his is that you don’t always have to pull master pages, you can push them. Did you know that?

David: You can push master pages?

Anne-Marie: To move a master page one document to the next one, I figured you opened up the new document, you go to the page pallet menu and you chose insert load master pages.

David: Load master page, in CS3? uh-huh.

Anne-Marie: Right. In CS3. But, also in CS3 there is a move pages command. So, if you go to the master and you right click right on the master, you can choose move master.

David: Oh, interesting, right.

Anne-Marie: And that will push it into any other document that you have open. How about that?

David: And if master page has that color then it will end up in the new document.

Anne-Marie: That’s correct.

David: That’s sneaky. It’s sneaky.

Anne-Marie: I liked it. I like that one. That was a good one.

What else? OK, what about the whole Illustrator thing? He had a bunch of bringing files, saving files in certain ways in Illustrator and Photoshop and bringing them in. Unfortunately, most of them had to do with spot colors or paint tone colors so we had to disqualify those, but the CMYK ones were interesting.

Like, in Illustrator, if you create a CMYK color, name it, I make it global just to be safe. He said you can copy and paste that into InDesign and that named color will come through as a CMYK correct. You could also drag it to the desktop and then drag it, this is on a Mac only, I think, and then, drag it from the desktop to the InDesign document. That also works.

What doesn’t work is saving the AI file in any format and then placing the AI file into InDesign. That does not bring over a named CMYK color.

David: Right. That will import a pan tone color, a PMS color but not a CMYK color. But, I really like the copy and paste one the most. I think that that’s copy and pasting is from Illustrator will bring those across.

Anne-Marie: Well, we picked that up when we learned that that other tip about brining gradients. Remember?

David: Yes, I remember.

Anne-Marie: Cut and paste the gradients over. So, I think, we ran through most… We’ll have a list. We’ll make a clean list of these I guess, and put them on the show notes as a downloadable file, if you are interested.

David: Yes, and if there’s any other ones that you can think of beyond that, definitely go to the show notes for this episode and post them there.

Anne-Marie: Right. We’re not including, by the way, scripts. OK, there’s lots of ways to do it with scripts and I think, there are a couple ways. Like, let’s forget about this and it’s too broad. But, quick apply keyboard shortcuts in those panels that we mentioned. Those are the main ways.

David: There you go.

Anne-Marie: Congratulations, James and you win a copy of Deke’s book.

David: Yes, we’ll send that off to you. And we’ll come up with a new Quizzler next episode. Next week, we hope.

Anne-Marie: All right.

David: OK. Let’s talk about some of the hot posts that have come up. Like Sandee Cohen came up with this great one, where she was offering $100 to your favorite charity if you could come up with a really good reason to use EPS for a bitmapped image. For a raster image from Photoshop.

Why would you ever want to choose EPS from Photoshop instead of PSD or PDF or TIF? And that generated a lot of heated discussion back and forth. Some good ideas, but ultimately, I think, the answer really is, there is no good reason. I mean, there are a couple interesting reasons, but nothing that strongly compelling for the majority of print work flows in InDesign.

QuarkXPress absolutely sure. But, not necessarily in InDesign anymore. So, I thought that was great. The one thing…

Anne-Marie: The $100 EPS challenge, 47 responses to that as of today.

David: Yes, the one thing I thought was interesting is, if you are using multi-channel documents from Photoshop, multi-channel not CMYK, not RGB, but let’s say you’ve got three different spot colors or something and that’s all. That kind of multi-channel image, you really need to use EPS. You can’t use PSD.

Actually, it’s really strange. But, multi-channel PSD files are not understood by InDesign. It just doesn’t know. I have no idea what this is. Can’t deal with that. So, that… I don’t know. I don’t know. So, multi-channel EPS seems like one reasonable way to do that but very few people would ever need to use that kind of thing.

Anne-Marie: What did one of the other EPS things was that you could apply a half tone dot.

David: Well, yes, you can apply half tone screen functions, like line screen and screen angle and so on, spot functions, but the problem is that in modern day RIPs all that stuff gets thrown away. The RIP just looks at it and says, oh, I could do it better than what’s in the EPS file and it just ignores it. So, it’s just not really relevant anymore.

Anne-Marie: Yes, so that was a hot post. And if you have any ideas about working with EPS graphics, or why they should still be around other than you need them for Cork Express or something, then please post. Another hot post was yours David about how to update bits of text across multiple documents.

David: Yes, someone had emailed and say, so what do you do if you have a phone number, let’s say, and you want to put that in a hundred different documents, but the phone number may change. So, how do you change it in all those documents at the same time?

So, I showed how you could use a linked text file to update those things. And other people wrote in saying no, you should do it with the XML or you should do it with this or that. There’s definitely some interesting ideas in there, but I encourage people… We don’t have time to go into all the details of how you do it with linked text files, but check out the…

Anne-Marie: Check it out. Lynn Grillo even made us a movie. You know, Lynn Grillo from Adobe made a movie about how you can use variables for this.

David: Yes, Yes.

Anne-Marie: Which I thought was very clever because you could update variables across a book.

David: You could do it across a book. And across a book there is actually some clever ways. And it is also easy if you have all the documents open because you can do fine change across open documents.

But, this guy in particular needed something that…He didn’t want to open all the documents. He just wanted to update when a document happened to be opened. So, anyway, let’s check that out. It could be interesting.

Let’s see. There were a bunch of other posts, too, but we’d better move on to this uppercase challenge. Where actually you also posted the beginning of this in a post.

Anne-Marie: Yes, I started out as a post. It was, actually a client sent me a file and said, why won’t this work? The problem was that she was doing a fine change for all upper case and it wasn’t finding all the upper case. So, I wrote a post about how, just because every time that you see something all capitals, doesn’t mean that it’s uppercase.

David: Right.

Anne-Marie: And the difference is that there are some things that are uppercase. That is the things that when you press the caps lock key down and hold down the shift key and you enter, that’s a separate case. Or when you select any type and go to InDesigns type menu, down to change case and choose upper case, that is through and through upper case, just as though you had entered it by hand with the caps lock key down.

What’s not really uppercase is the formatting kind of uppercase, the kind that you would get by turning the all caps button in the control panel. Or applying an all caps style via the paragraph or character styles. That is, you know, it just looks like uppercase but you can always turn off that formatting and it reverts back to what it normally was.

So, when you are doing a fine change and you say match my case and you enter something in uppercase, it’s only going to find true uppercase. It won’t find the all caps stuff. So, that’s what the post was about. My fix for… you actually have to run two fine changes to fix it up, but we had a lot of good responses. Some people said, maybe, you should never use the true uppercase, you should only use the formatting.

David: Well, that’s basically my feeling for sure. I don’t like… I hate it when somebody types things in real uppercase letters. You know, types an entire word or entire phrase. That just drives me crazy because you never know when around the corner we have to change that, change the formatting.

First of all, it just looks dorky, but secondly, if you do want to have something in all caps, I really believe you should use the uppercase style, not really type it in uppercase. It’s just too constrictive, so, I would definitely go with the use the style method.

But then, there are other things, too. Like how do you, I think, some of the conversations came up around that was, how do you use a search. Is there any way to search for all your uppercases, where people really did type in all uppercase? Right?

Anne-Marie: Yeah. Well, that was what I just said.

David: But you use the two finds? You find one and then find again?

Anne-Marie: The first find is like if you enter something in the find field that is in uppercase, you type it with a caps lock key down, and then you turn on match case or case sensitive. That will find things that are truly uppercase, through and through. But, it won’t find stuff that had been formatted uppercase. To format it, then you have to turn off case sensitive and add a find format attribute of all caps.

David: Right.

Anne-Marie: I think that the weird thing that I noticed was that - I believe it is in both paragraph and character styles - that if you go down to basic character formats, there is a menu item that says, case, and one of the items is all caps. So, here we have both of them combined and which one does it actually apply?

David: Right.

Anne-Marie: Because it has the word case in there, just like the type menu command, which actually makes it true uppercase, but also has all caps as the menu command. And the answer is that it does apply all caps as the formatting.

David: Just trying to keep things straight here.

David: It’s hard to keep all this case stuff straight. Uppercase, lowercase, change case, case styles and so on. Just in case… Holy Toledo.

Anne-Marie: In case of emergency.

David: Speaking of cases, we should probably talk about another case issue and that is the obscure InDesign feature of the week [echo sounds], which is…

Anne-Marie: And that is normal. Did you know that normal is a command in this program?

David: Right, we all know about the normal paragraph style and something like from word, but that’s not it.

Anne-Marie: No, that’s not part of InDesign.

David: It’s from Word.

Anne-Marie: Thank you.

David: Right.

Anne-Marie: Yes. It took me by surprise normal, normal is one of the commands in the area that I just got finished talking about, which is in paragraph or character style options. You go down to basic character formats and in that case drop down menu, where I said you could choose all caps, there is a choice there that says, normal. And in fact that is the default setting for basic paragraph. Right? So, which I think, is kind of funny. It’s weird. Normal. Actually, it’s a weird word.

David: In other places too. I don’t know what it is. For some reason Andrea and I both had this same feeling, like what a strange thing to call something normal. But, I don’t know what it is about it that…

Anne-Marie: Directly to the right of that, David, I’m just noticing that the default position, like superscript, subscript is also normal.

David: Right. It’s not superscript, it’s not subscript, it’s normal. Right in-between. It’s not too hot, not too cold; it’s normal, right? There are also other normals, too. For example, in screen mode. Screen mode, which is not in preview mode. Right? What’s the name of ‘the not in preview mode’ mode? It’s normal.

Anne-Marie: Is it normal? Interesting.

David: Normal, yes. That’s a normal mode, but my favorite one is that a hidden keyboard shortcut. You know, how much we like keyboard shortcuts, keyboard shortcuts poster and keyboard shortcuts plug in from DPT Tools, but normal, if you search for normal there, you find there is actually a font style called normal. So, you got italic, bold, you got this, you got that and you also have normal.

Anne-Marie: You know, I remember that. I think, we included that in our keyboard shortcut poster.

David: Yes, I think, it’s hiding in there, but most people don’t ever notice it. But, if you press on the Mac, it’s command shift Y, on Windows I believe it’s Control Shift Y, that will change all of your font, whatever selected font you have, to normal. So, it won’t be italic anymore, it won’t be bold, it will go back to regular, whatever regular is in that font.

Anne-Marie: Right. It won’t be small caps, won’t be all caps, it will go back to normal.

David: Nice and easy, it’s just normal.

Anne-Marie: White bread, heartland of America. It’s normal.

David: Maybe, it’s a normalizing kind of thing. I don’t know just the word bugs me. [laughs] There you go. We are not normal here.

Anne-Marie: But, I though that was an interesting obscure feature of the week.

David: It is. It is obscure in all kinds of ways.

Anne-Marie: All right. So, that’s it for Episode 70. Be sure to check out the show notes on our blog at InDesignSecrets.com, where we will have links to all the fun places that we mentioned. We’d love to hear what you thought of the show. Leave a comment in the show notes, or email us at Info@InDesignSecrets.com. And until we meet again, this is Anne-Marie and David Blatner for InDesign Secrets.

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