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[musical introduction]
Anne-Marie Concepción: Welcome to InDesign Secrets episode 74. I am Anne-Marie Concepción
and I am here along with my co-host David Blatner.
David Blatner: Hello, everybody.
Anne-Marie: Well David, how are you?
David: Very well. How are you doing, today?
Anne-Marie: I am doing great.
David: Excellent.
Anne-Marie: Our podcast and blog at indesignsecrets.com are the independent
resource for all things in design.
[verbal sound effects]
David: [laughter] It is true and we have got a big, big show. A really big
show, today. We have…
Anne-Marie: Elvis Presley.
David: [laughter] Exactly. We have got news, we have got updates of
various things. I am going to talk a little bit about the whole
recertification thing-the Adobe certification. And ask Anne-Marie
about her experience, as well. Leopard and Vista, we are going to
talk about Leopard. Does it work-work, work, work? Kind of.
Changing document size…we had an interesting email from somebody
asking about changing document size. And we realize that we really
need to cover this once and for all. Why, when you change the
document size, things either move or don’t move or where they are
supposed to move.
Also, we want to mention Layout Zone. It is a script, a free
script. Some of you have seen it on the InDesign Secrets blog. But
for those of you who are listeners only we definitely want to let
you know about this cool script. And then the obscure InDesign
feature of the week…
Anne-Marie: Is Greek pictures.
David: Greek pictures? Like the Acropolis? Or the Parthenon?
Anne-Marie: Like wrestlers. [laughter]
David: [laughter] Wrestlers. Oh I see, like wrestlers. Indeed.
Anne-Marie: Yes, there is a Greek pictures feature in InDesign. All right, but
first let’s go to the news.
David: [beep-beep-beep]Dateline. Dateline-Chicago, Illinois.
Anne-Marie: Both David and I are going to be in Toronto, Canada at the end of
this month, assuming customs does not find the drugs on us. We will
be presenting at the conference. Is it the InDesign conference or
the CS3 conference?
David: Both. Two conferences in one coming to your city. The InDesign
conference followed by the CS3 conference or vice versa. I cannot
remember, exactly. But it is going to be great. Jim Mayall will be
there, Tammy Cohen will be there, we’ll be there, Chris Converse is
coming in. We’ve got, Sebastian Stefano is going to be there and
Michael Minnis is coming in, the senior product manager for
InDesign. It is going to be a great show. Lynn Grillo is coming in
from New York.
Anne-Marie: Oh, I love Lynn.
David: Lynn is awesome. So, it is going to be a great show. Morty will be
there, of course. So Toronto will be at the end of this month. Come
on down, or up or over or something.
Anne-Marie: And then after that we have Auckland.
David: Auckland.
Anne-Marie: Auckland.
David: Auckland. Down Under. It is a for sure thing. There were a couple
of questions, I think in the last podcast. Is this show happening
or not? Auckland, New Zealand is definitely happening June 17th
through 19th. The InDesign conference down under. The only southern
hemisphere InDesign conference this year, I think. Awesome. And
also at the end of the year-the Seattle InDesign master class is
going to be on.
Anne-Marie: Excellent.
David: And that is November 10th through 13th, in Seattle. Which is not
necessarily the most lovely time of the year to be in Seattle. But
given that we are going to be inside most of the time, it will be
just fine. Actually, last master class two years ago, it flooded.
We had record flooding in Seattle. So that was not so good. This
year it is going to be beautiful-75 degrees and sunny. In November-
it will be a miracle. And it’s going to be a great show because we
are having like all these great InDesign engineers. People from the
InDesign team will be there, as well as all your favorite great
speakers and InDesign evangelists and trainers.
Anne-Marie: That’s right.
David: It’s going to be a very, it’s a high end show for people who really
want to get in deep with InDesign. And that’s, hopefully you know
one of those people.
Anne-Marie: Hey, you know if it’s not going to be until November, isn’t it
possible that CS4 will be released right around then?
David: Well, it is an interesting point, because we have heard from Adobe
that they are going to release on an 18 to 24 month cycle. That’s
the only thing they’ve actually said. And we do know that CS3 came
out in April of whatever last year was, and that would mean that it
would be whatever April plus 18 to 24 months is. And that’s yeah,
end of the year or Spring. But maybe we’ll have more, maybe we’ll
have a sneak peek.
Anne-Marie: Could even be before the show happens.
David: We don’t know, it could be. Which would be cool because then we
could do like a CS4 show. But I’m not holding my breath at this
point.
Anne-Marie: But what we can do is we’ll have the engineers there, sand-we can
twist their arms to spill all even if it’s not released yet.
David: Even if it’s not released they may be doing sneak peaks. Who knows?
Not me. but I am excited about this. No matter what it’s going to
be, it’s going to be a great show. So, I hope you are all going to
come up to Seattle or over or down. So, we’ll have links there, in
our show notes how to find those but you can find them all at
mogoevents.com. That will be cool. What else?
Anne-Marie: I think their tag line should be “I’ve got my Mogo running.”
David: Oh, I like that.
Anne-Marie: Don’t you think?
David: I like that. I’ve got my Mogo running.
Anne-Marie: An obscure Blues song reference.
David: People keep asking What is Mogo? What is this reference Mogo? And
we just don’t have a good answer.
Anne-Marie: I thought it was the Chinese food. I think I’ve brought that up
before. Mogo Gai Pan.
David: That could be. You know it used to be Barry Con. Barry Anderson and
Morty Golding and I’m the editorial director off to the side
somewhere. And someone said well, it must be Morty Goldings
initials. And we said Oops. I guess it is. So Morty was pretty
happy about that. But no, it was really just we liked the name
mogo. So, there you have it. OK, so recertification.
Anne-Marie: The recertification test. Anyone who took the Adobe certified
expert exam for InDesign CS2, needs to take the recertification for
InDesign CS3 by April 30 if you want to remain certified in the
program. Otherwise, you have to retake the test from the beginning.
I think we’ve talked about this before in our podcast, I know we’ve
talked about it in our blogs about how the recertification exam
which was released I think the end of January early February, was
so horrendously constructed with such ridiculous questions and
answers. That there was basically a revolt. And how wonderful that
Adobe so quickly responded and fixed the test.
David: Yep.
Anne-Marie: Well, you would know, David because you have taken the
recertification test. I still haven’t.
David: Oh you haven’t?
Anne-Marie: On my way to the 29th. No. I’ll-probably give it a try next week
after some stuff is done over here. What was it like?
David: I did take it and it was not bad at all. I kept reading these
horror stories about these people that were saying “Well, the
questions were written in other languages” or something. You know,
it was not a good test, but it wasn’t a terrible test. It was far
better than I had feared. It’s kind of like when you go see a
movie, if you really have high expectations, everyone says, “It’s a
great movie, ” and you kind of walk out going, “Eh, it was OK.” But
if everyone says, “Oh, this is the worst movie ever made!” and you
go see it, you’re like, “Eh, it wasn’t so bad.”
So that’s kind of what it was for me. It was not so bad. There were
plenty of questions that I just scratched my head. There were a
couple I actually laughed out loud. I don’t even remember how many
questions it was. It was like 30 questions or something for the
recertification.
Anne-Marie: What kind of question on the recertification exam would make you
laugh?
David: They made me laugh because they were just like there’s no answer.
“There’s no good answer here.”
Anne-Marie: Oh, really? So, like laughter in despair kind of a reaction.
[laughs]
David: Laughter in despair. I like that. Or there were three good answers,
one bad answer, and then three answers: “Well, it could be this. It
could be that.”
Anne-Marie: Right.
David: And I would just kind of shake my head and say, “What were they
thinking?” But there were fewer of those than I expected.
Anne-Marie: And the initial test, apparently, was so ridiculous that people who
are definitely experts in InDesign–probably more than you or I–
failed it by one or two questions.
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: Because, basically, it was almost like random: just try taking a
stab at these questions that make no sense.
David: Right. Exactly. And there were a few of those that you just had to
guess, but they weren’t terrible. Anyway, I just wanted to let
people know: don’t be afraid of it. It’s not bad. It’s not good.
But it’s just right. [laughs] It’s totally adequate.
Anne-Marie: [laughs]
David: It’s an adequate test.
Anne-Marie: I don’t know if a lot of people know: the recertification test you
take from the comfort of your own home, online, from your computer.
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: You do have a time limit. So, essentially, it’s an open-book test.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: But it still is kind of tough because it’s supposed to focus on
just the new features in CS3. I remember the CS2 recertification
test had a ton of questions on XML.
David: Oh, really?
Anne-Marie: Whereas the regular CS2 test might have had maybe one or two.
David: Oh, no. This certification definitely did not focus just on CS3
features.
Anne-Marie: Really?
David: It was all over the map, yeah. Yeah.
Anne-Marie: Unfortunately, we can’t share any of these with our public…
David: No.
Anne-Marie: Because otherwise they’d kick us out and they’d come and kill us, I
think. Obviously, you’re not allowed to share the test questions
with anybody. Now, if you’re going to be taking the regular
certification exam, I believe they’ve also updated that one to more
sane levels.
David: I hope so.
Anne-Marie: But the regular certification exam, you have to go to a testing
center. You don’t take it online from your own computer.
David: Now, I do think we should also mention, for people who did do the
original recertification, you can retake it. I think it’s still
good, right? Tim Cole was talking about this, in his InDesign Back
Channel blog, that you can retake it for free. I’m just looking at
it quickly here. They’re going to give you a coupon or something
that you can go take it again. So that was nice of them.
Anne-Marie: Well, that’s good. Normally, they charge you. And then, also, they
make you wait three months before you can take it. But they’re not
doing that. I know for sure that some people who didn’t take the
first recertification test–I mean, who took it failed–were able
to pass it again. So I guess they’re suspending that rule.
David: Interesting. Interesting. Well, so all he said here was that
they’re going to send vouchers out to people. Stay tuned for
information on how to receive a voucher. So, if you’ve taken the
recertification for CS3 and you have not received an email for
getting a voucher, if you wanted to take it again, then check in
with Tim, I guess, [laughs] is what it comes down to.
Anne-Marie: [laughs]
David: Hopefully, everybody, [laughs] we’ll put a link there in the show
notes.
Anne-Marie: To his email address.
David: Exactly. Right.
Anne-Marie: Right.
David: And his home phone number. Good. All right.
Anne-Marie: Next topic.
David: Leopard. Leopard!
Anne-Marie: Leopard and Vista.
David: Do we have anything to say about Vista? You just put Vista in there
because…
Anne-Marie: Because we’re talking about Leopard. We wanted to talk about
Leopard and CS3, and almost half of our audience is using Windows.
Some of those people have had to have moved to Vista. I think the
correct topic is: does InDesign CS3 play nicely with the latest
operating systems?
David: OK. There you go.
Anne-Marie: As opposed to Leopard itself.
David: I haven’t heard any problems with Vista. Have you heard of any
problems with Vista?
Anne-Marie: No, I don’t know anybody. You’re the only person I know who has
Vista.
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: Have you ever booted into InDesign CS3 in Vista?
David: Yes, yes, it works. It looks like InDesign. If anyone out in
listener-land has had problems with Vista, let us know, but in the
show notes.
Anne-Marie: Yes, please.
David: But in general, I have not been hearing problems. Leopard is a
different story. Leopard, people have had all kinds of problems,
but those problems seem to have diminished over the past few months
to a small number of problems and a small number of people having
those problems, in my experience.
I’ve got InDesign CS3 running on my Leopard machine here. And
finally, it seems to be work great. I’ve had no problems, no
crashes, and no weirdness. I have no problem hiding InDesign.
One of the problems that people have reported the most is they
can’t hide InDesign, which in my opinion is a feature. Why would
anybody want to hide InDesign?
Anne-Marie: [laughs]
David: But some people have problems. They really want to be able to hide
InDesign and they can’t. I have no problems doing that on my
installation here. The one trick there that I encourage people to
remember is rebuild your preferences. As soon as you install on
Leopard, rebuild your preferences.
Anne-Marie: Really?
David: Yes, you really want to do that, I think, after an OS upgrade. And
that might be a fix for some people. Some people have reported
that’s a fix. Some people have reported Suitcase continuing to be an issue in
Leopard.
Anne-Marie: What? I’m shocked!
David: [laughs]
Anne-Marie: Shocked I tell you!
David: Fun Management issues are always a handful.
If you’re going to go to Leopard, really make sure that all your
other apps are upgraded properly including,especially, your Fun
Management because that can just be detrimental to all of your
other programs. And you might be having problems in InDesign, but
it might not have anything to do with InDesign at all.
Anne-Marie: That’s true.
David: So definitely.
Anne-Marie: I have it running over here and I have the Creative Suite running
on Leopard, everything seems to be hunky-dory. I really haven’t put
the pedal to the metal yet though, like Production Machine is still
an Intel Mac running Tiger.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: But I wanted to start clean, so I have a Leopard laptop and then
installed CS3 on top of that and that seems to be working well. I
mean, with being able to open and save, people were having issues
with what Apple calls an out services, navigation services.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: So that any time you opened up an open, save, or export dialog box
the thing would crash. Luckily, so far knock-on-wood, that kind of
thing hasn’t happened to me.
David: Yes. Well, I think there’s no doubt that there’s still going to be
a small percentage of people who are going to have problems with
the InDesign Leopard. But for anyone who’s say, “Oh, I just don’t
know. Should I stay or should I go?” I think that you should just
jump in.
Anne-Marie: Yes. There are a ton of people who are doing it now.
I’m teaching this Thursday and Friday, and a publisher who just
moved 50 people to Leopard.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: And they’re all running the Creative Suite.
David: Yes. I think it’s time, personally. And expect a few problems and
some troubleshooting, but for the most part, expect it to work. But
don’t try to hide InDesign. Stay in InDesign, don’t hide it and
everything will be OK.
On the other hand, Brian Wood was mentioning, I think we may have
mentioned this in a previous episode. Brian Wood at Evolve in
Seattle, he’s a wonderful speaker at these events as well, he was
saying his problem is that InDesign sometimes disappears.
Especially, if it does get hidden, then he can’t get it back and he
has to force quit InDesign and then restart it, which is really
annoying.
Again, I would say don’t hide it to start with, but my other
response is, I’ve had that problem in Tiger as well. I don’t think
that’s a Leopard issue. I think that’s happened for years.
InDesign and Acrobat, those are the two programs that sometimes do
that to me. I’ll be working along and maybe I’ll hide all of my
apps and then I just can’t get back to Acrobat or InDesign for some
reason, but even in Tiger and before then I think it’s been a long
problem and I have no idea why it happens. So you end up having to
force quit and restart. That’s my thoughts there.
Anne-Marie: OK, all right.
David: Should we move on to changing doc size?
Anne-Marie: Changing doc size, not the dock (the panel’s doc) but the document
doc.
David: Good point! That’s right, the document size.
Anne-Marie: The issue is you have an existing InDesign document and then you
decide it shouldn’t be eight and a half by eleven it should be
eight by ten or some other size, or it should be landscape not
portrait.
So you go to File -> Document Setup, which is Command-Option-P or
Control-Alt-P, and change the width and height of the page.
So if you make the page larger or smaller, what does InDesign do
with the existing elements on the page?
David: It makes people crazy because it doesn’t seem logical, at least
sometimes it doesn’t seem logical. Every now and again they will be
exactly where I wanted them, but for the most part I find it
frustrating as all get out. I have long wished that there was a way
to say, “Look, move everything, maintain the left side, or center
everything,” but sometimes things just move when you don’t expect
them to. We wanted to break that down a little bit an tell you what
is going on.
By default, it centers everything. When you change the page size
all of the objects on the page or spread are centered. The problem
is that they get centered to the page, or the spread, depending on
whether you have a facing pages document or not. If it’s a single-
sided document, the objects on each page get centered to that page.
If it’s a facing pages document, even if you only have one page in
it, it gets centered around the center of the spine, which is part
of the confusion.
If you have just one page but it’s facing pages, the stuff on the
left side will look like it doesn’t move at all but the stuff on
the right side gets moved a lot. So it’s disconcerting what’s going
on there, it’s centering around the middle of the spine in a facing
pages document, which is trippy but there you go.
The other thing that can really throw you off is if you have layout
adjustment turned on. We haven’t talked about layout adjustment in
a long time but layout adjustment is a very important thing in the
Layout menu, in InDesign’s Layout menu you can choose Layout
Adjustment. If you have ‘Enable layout adjustment’ turned on then
stuff [laughs] can move, you just don’t know where it’s going to
move, because the edges of your pages act like guides. If you have
something touching a margin guide, it will move with the margin
guide. If you have something touching the edge of the page, it will
move with the edge of the page. So stuff can really get bigger,
smaller, etcetera.
Anne-Marie: Also, column guides are counted.
David: And column guides, that’s right, column guides also. And sometimes
depending on the check boxes in the layout adjustment dialog box
things might move with the guides if the guides move as well. So,
there’s a lot of weird stuff could happen when you change the size
of your pages, if you have layout adjustment turned on. That’s
where I think a lot of the confusion gets in: people turn layout
adjustment on at some point and then they go in and change their
page size and all of the sudden it’s like “Wow! This moved up here,
this moved down there, this changed its size, this didn’t change
its size.” It’s a real head scratcher.
Anne-Marie: I think the end result is that if you want your objects to stay
aligned on a left margin or in a column after you resize the
document, turn on layout adjustment first. I would probably always
do a Save As before I start doing any of that kind of stuff.
David: [laughs] That’s a good idea!
Anne-Marie: Yes. But it does work pretty well. And then remember to turn it
off. Or, you could always create a new document at the new size and
then place the old InDesign document in there and then just scale
it as necessary.
David: Oh that’s an interesting idea. In fact, because that’s a great
segue, but before we do…
Anne-Marie: That’s great!
[laughs]
David: Very clever young lady!
Before we do that I actually want to mention one other plug-in that
will help with this, actually, two plug-ins.
Anne-Marie: OK.
David: One is, some people want to change the size of their page and scale
everything. Glue-On makes a plug-in for InDesign called Pro Scale
which lets you scale an entire document to a different size which
is really quiet clever, it does some good stuff.
But also DDP Tools makes Page Control and we’ve talked about Page
Control before. That’s the one that lets you rotate spreads or have
different sized pages on pages within a document and so on.
But they also have, I think it’s new in version 2; they also give
you more control in that page setup dialog box. So, you go to
“file”, “page document setup”, and then you change the size of it.
You click “OK” and then it gives you another dialog box that gives
you control, like: “Do you want to scale the objects in your page
or not? Do you want to anchor them to the center or the lower
right?” It gives you a little anchor tool so you can say where you
want…
Anne-Marie: That’s great.
David: Oh it’s really, really great. So they added that.
Anne-Marie: I got one of the new versions, but I haven’t been able to test.
One of the reasons I downloaded the version is because I read that
another great new feature,this should probably turn into a blog
post, is that it can do calendar layouts.
David: Yes, definitely.
Anne-Marie: It can do the rights. What people always for is a horizontal spine
rather than a vertical spine.
David: Yes. It doesn’t show up in the pages panel. That’s the one thing
that’s kind of annoying to me. It still looks horizontal in the
pages panel but on the layout itself, they have somehow found a way
to rotate the view, so yes, it looks like it’s top-bottom instead
of left-right.
Anne-Marie: We’ll write that up and put screen shots.
David: Yes, and that’s a great idea, Anne-Marie.
But…
[laughs]
Anne-Marie: The segue!
David: The Seaway. Another way to take a layout and resize it is this
amazing script that Martino Delglora put together called Layout
Zone.
Anne-Marie: Yes, Layout Zone. And you know, I didn’t look through our past
Podcast; I don’t think that we’ve really covered this at all,
though you wrote about it in a blog post.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: So the Layout Zone script let’s you.. you’re working on an InDesign
document, you make a selection that you want somebody else to edit,
like perhaps it’s just an ad that you put together and you want the
junior designer to make the ad look better, or maybe to an entire
page. You make a selection and then you go to the edit menu, this
is after the script is installed, and you’ll see a new item in your
edit menu called Layout Zone.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: And you can choose objects to InDesign document, that’s one of the
options from its fly-out menu. And when you choose that then it
takes whatever’s selected and gives you a little dialog box saying,
“How do you want to control this?” But in the end, it creates a
linked InDesign document comprised of your selection.
David: Yes, it’s so mind blowing! I mean, for a number of reasons, first
of all, the fact that it’s a menu item. So it’s actually written as
a script, but it uses a new feature in CS3 that will put scripts
into menu items. So it looks just like a feature in InDesign with a
little sub menu.
Anne-Marie: Right, so it’s a script but you don’t have to dig into the scripts
panel at all.
David: Right, it’s beautiful! It’s really nice. And the fact that it
works, it’s like if you’ve ever seen Quarks Compositions Zone’s
feature which has the worlds worst user interface, it’s just an
astonishingly bad UI. But this basically works the way Compositions
Zone should have worked. You just say, look I want these objects or
this whole page or whatever to be a composition zone. I want it to
be another InDesign document, and you just choose a feature and
boom you’ve got an InDesign document. You send it off to someone.
They can fix it. They can change it, whatever; bring it back in.
and it just updates it. And, it is beautiful.
Anne-Marie: That’s right, and I think the default option is that after you
export it as a stand alone InDesign document, and you do get a
chance to name it and choose where to save it, the default option
is to immediately bring in the InDesign document replacing your
selection.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: So, it looks like nothing changed.
David: Right.
Anne-Marie: But, if you click on that selection again, you will see that there
is just one rectangle surrounding everything. You cannot edit the
contents, and the name of that InDesign file that you just named
appears in your links panel highlighted.
David: That’s great.
Anne-Marie: So then, like David said, if somebody else updates it then you will
see the little out of date icon. In the links panel you can update
it as you go, and even better, what happens if you do want to edit
that? What happens if the person falls off the edge of the world or
something and you don’t know where that InDesign document went?
Very easily select it and go to the edit menu again and choose the
other option, link InDesign page to object. In other words, it is
going to break it up into InDesign objects which is something that
composition zones and Quark Express cannot do.
David: Right.
Anne-Marie: In composition zone though, you can only export a selection to a
composition zone as another Quark document that somebody has to
work on. The end user only has this stand-in for it, and if they
want to edit it again all they can do is turn it into a picture.
David: Right.
Anne-Marie: And, it basically, I don’t know, brings it in a little…What is
that, Jay? I’m not even sure what it is.
David: Now, wait. It kind of acts like a PDF. I mean, it is sort of the
same. It is kind of the same thing when you import an InDesign
document into another InDesign document which is what this script
is based on. It acts as though it were a PDF or something. So, it
prints fine, but in this script like Ann-Marie said, the script can
actually go and open the InDesign document and it grabs all the
pieces of that and brings it back in and replaces the InDesign
document that you had placed or they had placed with its component
pieces. So, it’s really slick.
Anne-Marie: It’s very slick. And you know what I found that I didn’t even
realize the script could do, was that you don’t have to have
exported a selection to an InDesign document through the script for
it to be able to break it up. So, if you have another InDesign
document into which you place an InDesign document, right? Just a
regular InDesign document that you import, that you place, and you
want to edit that InDesign document you can use the script to break
it up into InDesign pieces.
And, it can even like if things were originally on a certain layer
it can maintain those layer assignments when you break it up.
David: It has all that control in there, so any InDesign document not just
the ones that it exports, but any InDesign document it can turn
back into InDesign objects. It’s very, very slick. Going back to
the original comment about scaling, if you take an InDesign
document, you import an InDesign document in CS3. You scale it. You
rotate it. You skew it, whatever. You crop it. You can then convert
it back into editable InDesign objects, and it will be scaled,
rotated, cropped and et cetera.
Anne-Marie: That is amazing.
David: It is amazing. It is absolutely amazing so Martino did this amazing
script and said, “Hey, gosh, why don’t we release it for free?” He
said, “Why don’t you release it on InDesign Secrets”, and so there
is a log post at InDesign Secrets that we will point you to in the
show notes and go download it. It is just an amazing script.
Anne-Marie: It is Mac or PC compatible, but it’s CS3 only since, of course, it
uses the ability to place InDesign files and it’s core.
David: Hey, we’d better move on to the ‘Obscure InDesign Feature of the
Week’.
Anne-Marie: And that is Greek pictures.
David: Greek pictures feature where we can see pictures from Greece via
InDesign.
Anne-Marie: Ah.. This was one of my suggestions for an obscure feature because
I got a call from a client who said, “There’s something wrong with
my copy of InDesign, whenever I scroll all the pictures turn gray.”
David: Mm-hmm.
Anne-Marie: “Is it my, do I maybe need more video ram?” was the question.
David: Oh good, yeah.
Anne-Marie: Hmm, that’s interesting.
David: No, you need a new monitor.
Anne-Marie: [laughs]I said you obviously need to hire me for a bazillion
dollars a day to come fix it…
David: It’s a virus, I’m pretty sure it’s a virus.
[laughs]
Anne-Marie: And no, the answer is that somehow he had changed the default or
somebody else had changed the default in his preferences, if you go
to InDesign preferences and look under display performance, toward
the bottom there’s a little section called scrolling, and you know
this is our favorite interface in all of InDesign: the display
performance interface, this is the part with the adjust view
settings, typical, all that stuff…
David: It’s very strange.
Anne-Marie: …which we’ve ranted about before.
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: So let’s rant now about the bottom part. Now, there’s nothing major
to rant there except that under scrolling by default where it says
hand tool, there’s a little arrow that’s on the sliding scale, and
it’s all the way to the right, which is higher quality. But if you
drag that arrow to the middle where it currently says ‘No
Greeking’, then the middle says Greek images and that’s all that
happened, so when it’s on Greek images and you use the hand tool to
scroll, the images turn gray while you’re scrolling. Even text
frames and things like that will temporarily look gray until you
release it and then everything pops back.
David: Well, the text frames, you need to push it even a little bit
further to the left.
Anne-Marie: Right.
David: Because that little slider goes, and when it’s in the middle the
text will stay..
Anne-Marie: Oh, no no, that’s, you’re absolutely right, no I said text frames
because I was playing around with layout zones and I had a single
text frame exported as a [inaudible]…
David: Oooh, there you go.
Anne-Marie: And brought back so it’s a picture, and so it’s an InDesign file
and not really yeah.
David: [laughs] It fooled you, it fooled you on April Fool’s.
Anne-Marie: And you know it’s… I do think… that’s right, it’s April Fool’s,
we forgot to mention! It is not just the hand tool, it is scrolling
in itself.
David: There you go, so it says hand tool but it really is all scrolling?
Anne-Marie: That’s right.
David: Interesting, interesting.
Anne-Marie: Which is what the guy said, because he didn’t say just when he used
his hand tool.
David: Whenever he scrolled, yeah. Now what bugs me is that here it’s
called Greek Images, but just above it in the in the adjust view
settings area they call it gray-out, so they just have they have
two different words, two different phrases for exact the same
thing, Greek images and grey-out within the same dialog box.
Anne-Marie: I think it should be Greek, I think it should be called Greek
images throughout just like Greek text.
David: I think so and Greek text, but Greek text also means pi to a lot of
people, at least to some of us. [laughs]
Anne-Marie: And I think the more important question is, is it insulting if
you’re Greek?
David: Ahh, that’s a very good question.
Anne-Marie: …for something like Greek text or Greek pics to be gray.
[David laughs]
Anne-Marie: Or…
David: Or, that’s a really good point, or if you’re a Greek user, or if
you’re using the Greek version or Greek UI, does it say Greek or
does it say American text or American…
Anne-Marie: Does it say Anglo?
David: …images because you know if you’re in Greece, then America
probably looks more gray.
Anne-Marie: Maybe it says Sicilian text.
David: Ah.
Anne-Marie: For all I know.
David: Very interesting, so if you’re in Greece or if you know the answer
please go to indesignsecrets.com and look at the show notes for
this episode, episode 74 and let us know what you think.
Anne-Marie: Yeah, good point.
David: Let us know.
Anne-Marie: Does it call it Greek pictures in Greek text and if not… it must
call it Greek pictures in Greek text.
David: This is making me really hungry for Greek food, it’s fascinating.
Anne-Marie: [laughs] Let’s go out for gyros after the podcast.
David: There you go, all right that’s it for episode 74.
Anne-Marie: [laughs]
David: Be sure to check out the show notes, leave us some messages, we
love to hear of what you thought of the show. Or if you need to
find us via email you can find us at info@indesignsecrets.com, and
until we meet again, this is David Blatner…
Anne-Marie: And Anne-Marie Concepción…
David: For InDesign secrets.
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