Podcast 84 Transcript
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Anne-Marie Conception: Welcome to InDesign Secrets. Episode eighty four. That’s two times forty two.
David Blatner: That’s forty two.
Anne-Marie: That’s the magic number. The answer to everything. I’m Anne-Marie Conception and I’m here with my co-host David Blatner.
David: It’s a pleasure to be here. How are you doing Anne Marie?
Anne-Marie: I’m doing great. I’m having a wonderful Friday. It’s beautiful in Chicago. It’s like 74 degrees.
David: Ooh, ahh.
Anne-Marie: Yes, much better than the Tornado that we had on Tuesday by the way.
David: Wow.
Anne-Marie: That was kind of scary.
David: More tornados.
Anne-Marie: The tornado sirens went off in Chicago and they cleared out Wrigley Field. They were in the middle of a Cubs/Astro’s game.
David: Wow.
Anne-Marie: They made everybody leave the stands. They were in the second inning.
David: Wow.
Anne-Marie: Yeah, it was kind of creepy.
David: We had…
Anne-Marie: Luckily nobody…
David: …we had rain.
Anne-Marie: You had rain in Seattle? That’s shocking. Anyway, our blog and podcast at InDesign Secrets.com are the independent resource for all things InDesign.
David: This episode is sponsored by Certitec, the Adobe authorized training center. They are all over the U.K. They specialize in InDesign and Acrobat, and they’ve been presenters at C-Bold and Adobe Live Shows and publishing Expo to name a few. John Besanta, I think I’ve mentioned before, spoke at the InDesign conference in London a couple of years ago. Great speaker, they really know their stuff.
And Certitec is offering a free two day Adobe Authorized InDesign CS training course in either London or Cardiff, and they’re basically doing a drawing from all the people who sign up from their website. So, if you go to Certitec.com/Indesignsecrets.html you can signup to be entered in to this drawing, and then somebody within the next week – it has to be within the next week – somebody will be, will win one of those training courses.
Anne-Marie: And I think that you can, you know, if you entered in the previous two podcasts that they were running this.
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: And didn’t win, I’m pretty sure you could enter again.
David: Oh, great, sure, go for it.
Anne-Marie: I don’t know, why not. And in fact, John emailed us and told us the winners of the first two podcasts. One of them was Simon Douglas, an E-learning developer from Birmingham.
David: Yep.
Anne-Marie: And he’s going to be taking an advance InDesign two day course in late 2008 or 2009.
David: Yep. And then.
Anne-Marie: And then, the most recent winner.
David: Yep, Steven Thomas. Steven Thomas from Whales, where I think John is from originally. And Steven is going to be taking a two day introduction course, which is, which is great. So, congratulations to both of you and those of you in New Zealand are probably thinking OK, so what else. But, it’s very important, for even you could go to the Certitec.com website and probably pull out some cool stuff. So, we’ll put a link to their website in the show notes. So, check it out. Check it out.
Anne-Marie: OK, so coming up on today’s show, we have an interview with a special guest.
David: Oh, yes.
Anne-Marie: Also we want to announce our debut webinar that is coming up shortly.
David: Mm hmm.
Anne-Marie: Give you some updates about our site redesign redesign. We’ve been tweaking, tweaking the redesign to improve the experience. The hot button post of the week is “export all the text out of an InDesign document. How do you do that?” Export as RTF.
David: Yep.
Anne-Marie: And the obscure InDesign feature of the week.
David: eek, eek, eek, eek, is visibility. Visibility.
Anne-Marie: Yeah.
David: Visibility is poor today in lovely Seattle. But, it’s great in InDesign, so we’ll be talking about that.
Anne-Marie: And Chicago.
David: And Chicago.
Anne-Marie: That’s right.
David: So, so our special guest is Scott Citron. And Scott, some of you might know, we’ve talked about Scott before. He’s the author of Professional Design Techniques with Adobe Credit Suite 3, from Adobe Press and Peach print press. And he’s a wonderful designer. He actually did the original design of InDesign magazine way back when, which was awesome.
Anne-Marie: He does beautiful design. You can see it at ScottCitrondesign.com. We’ll need a link there too. He’s also the head of the New York City InDesign users group, which is the largest InDesign users group in the world.
David: Yes.
Anne-Marie: You know, it has over like 2500 members?
David: Wow.
Anne-Marie: I don’t know how they all fit in the meeting room.
David: Wow.
Anne-Marie: That’s a lot of pizza. That’s a…
[laughter]
Anne-Marie: Anyway. You may know that Scott was recently in a car accident on his way back after a training gig.
David: Really.
Anne-Marie: In Los Angeles.
David: Yeah, a really bad.
Anne-Marie: Across the country.
David: Bad trip accident.
Anne-Marie: And Marty, Marty Gouldine, put up a wonderful blog about what’s happening, because so many of his friends and past students and colleagues all wanted to know what’s happening, what’s happening, how is he doing. And that’s at getwellscottcitron.blogspot.com. We’ll mention that too, we’ll put that in the show notes. But, David and I were able to call him from his hospital bed.
David: yeah.
Anne-Marie: And he is in great spirits. We had talked to him earlier and it was really nice that he was game for the interview.
[telephone conversation]
Anne-Marie: Come on Scotty.
David: Come on. Hey is this Scott? Scott?
Scott Citron: Yeah.
David: Scott, it’s David and Anne Marie.
Scott: How are you buddy?
David: I’m well. Hey, I’ve, how are you?
Scott: Not bad.
David: And hey Scott.
Scott: Got the whole family here.
Anne-Marie: Oh, that’s great.
Scott: Yeah, I’m doing a little bit better. I had a little setback with some blood clots, they’ve got to clear those out now. But hey, you know, I’m alive and I’m alive. That’s about it.
Anne-Marie: That’s wonderful.
David: So, Scott.
Scott: Yeah.
David: We have to know, do you have any tips from the hospital bed for InDesign users.
Scott: Don’t fly from New York to L.A. and then teach a class and then get in the car and try to drive an hour and a half after teaching an InDesign class.
Anne-Marie: That is an excellent tip.
David: It is. That is.
Scott: That is probably the best tip I could give any InDesign user.
David: Wow.
Anne-Marie: Yes, Scott was telling me that the class that he was teaching in L.A. started at eight p.m. and went until two a.m. at the newspaper.
David: Oof, wow.
Anne-Marie: And so, you know, L.A. is three hours behind New York.
David: So, you blame the N.S.A. or members in our administration? Is that what you’re telling us?
Scott: Russell Peters.
David: Oh Russell Peters.
[laughter]
Scott: He turned me on to the gig in the first place.
Anne-Marie: That’s right.
David: So, it’s Russell’s fault.
Scott: So, it’s all his fault.
David: The infamous Russell Peters. There you go. I’m really glad that you’re feeling, you know, better, good, well enough to actually speak with us.
Scott: Yeah.
David: That makes me very happy.
Scott: Yeah, me too. I mean, if you’ve ever been in the hospital, you know it’s like the world’s most boring place to be.
David: Right.
Scott: So, I’m so grateful that the Olympics are starting, because they’ll give me at least something to watch.
Anne-Marie: Oh, that’s true.
David: That’s a good point.
Scott: But, yeah, I’m feeling, you know, as good as I can feel, I guess.
David: Did they add any bionics? Is there anything bionic on you now?
Anne-Marie: Soon.
Scott: I’ve got a gigantic three quarter inch by foot long rod in my right tibia.
Anne-Marie: Wow.
David: Geez.
Scott: And I don’t know, a bunch of other, a bunch of other prosthetic kind of stuff. But, nothing really life threatening.
David: And what about your… Can you use a mouse or a track pad or a track ball or?
Scott: It’s, it’s hard. You know, I have a laptop here. My laptop was completely turtled, of course, in the accident. But, they salvaged, they took the hard drive out and they put it in a box and it works. And my wife’s laptop is here.
David: I didn’t know the paramedics would do that for the laptops. That’s pretty cool.
Scott: Oh yeah, they’ll do that. They’ll, they did a system up grade for me. You know.
[laughter]
Scott: They fixed a couple of weird extensions.
Anne-Marie: Did they put a rodded screen or anything?
Scott: They put some cool plug ins in there.
David: That’s incredible. So basically what you’re saying is that in the hospital, in Long Beach, you’re basically exper- you’re getting a system upgrade yourself. This is.
[laughter]
Scott: Exactly. I was overdue for a system upgrade anyway, so it just kind of worked out.
David: You sound great. I mean, I’m just so pleased that you sound like Scott. And…
Scott: I feel like Scott with bedsores.
David: Oh Scott.
Anne-Marie: You’ve got to get Jen to turn you more often.
David: That’s right.
Scott: Yeah, you can put that on the blog.
David: OK. We’ll put that. That will be broadcast.
Anne-Marie: All right, well thanks so much Scott.
Scott: Great to talk to both of you guys.
David: Great to talk to you too. Thank you Scott.
Scott: Keep me posted.
David: Get better soon. Dang it.
Scott: All right, will do.
David: Scott is, is great. I’m so glad.
Anne-Marie: It’s so crazy. He’s still Scott. I was, you know, it was a pretty horrific accident, but he’s doing OK. And it’s so great, you know, that all of his family is located in South California, so.
David: yeah.
Anne-Marie: Because that’s what I was thinking. What if I got in an accident and I was, you know, three thousand miles from home.
David: Yeah, that would be the worst.
So, we wish Scott many, many good wishes, many happy returns, many somethings, so he’ll get healthy as quickly as possible. We’re all thinking about him.
Anne-Marie: Definitely.
David: For sure, so, that’s correct.
Anne-Marie: And, you know, Sandy Cohen, Scott’s first words, apparently, when he woke up were, “This sucks.”
[laughter]
Anne-Marie: A phrase that will live in time, and Sandy made a really cute logo for it with “this sucks” and made a whole bunch of really neat CafePress.com items, and when you buy it, a portion of that money, you know, any profit goes directly to Scott Citron, to help with his recovery and to buy his new iPhone.
[laughter]
Anne-Marie: And if you, you can see, I bought a travel mug that has “this sucks” on it with a picture of a lemon, you know, Scott Citron, get it?
David: Right.
Anne-Marie: It’s great, she did a wonderful job. So, you can find a link to that at getwellscottcitron.blogspot.com.
David: Excellent. Excellent.
Hey, some other stuff that’s been going on recently is, well, one thing is this, what you call a webinar. I don’t know why, I just hate the term webinar. I like eSeminar.
Anne-Marie: eSeminar is an Adobe term.
David: Oh. Well, I don’t know, it’s…
Anne-Marie: Webinar is an awful, detestful name, I know, but I think that’s the one that most people understand what you’re talking about.
David: Well, look. We’re doing a seminar, a live seminar, that happens to be over the web.
Anne-Marie: A live eSemiwebinar on the Interweb.
[laughter]
David: The Interweb, exactly. We’re going to come through the plumbing to your computer.
And the first one is going to be August 19th, coming up really soon, 11 am Pacific time, but it’ll be a live event, and people can purchase tickets in advance, and show up, we’ll send you information about how to log in.
And it’s going to be me basically talking about tips and tricks, you know me, I always like doing tips and tricks, and getting into all kinds of fun stuff, essential tips that people need to know, and I’ll probably cover some beginning stuff, intermediate stuff advanced stuff, a little bit of everything, about 90 minutes long.
And then, we’ll be doing some Q and A at the end, for if you have your own questions that you want to ask me, we’ll do that.
And also, we’ll do a prize drawing at the end, and I’m going to give away a copy of either the “Essentials” DVD that I did, or the “Beyond the Basics” DVD that I did, from lynda.com.
Anne-Marie: Cool.
David: That’s $150 value either way, so we’ll be giving away one of those to somebody at the seminar.
So, it’s open to everybody, internationally. There’s a link in the show notes, and there’s $20 off. If you go to the show notes, you’ll see a link for $20 off that seminar.
Anne-Marie: What’s the cost of the seminar?
David: It’s…
Anne-Marie: $9999.
[laughter]
David: Exactly.
Anne-Marie: We only need one person to sign up, and then we can pay for our Connect account.
David: Right. I think it’s $69, $69 for the 90 minutes. 69 U.S. dollars, but $20 off, so I guess it comes to 49 U.S. dollars, which in euros is about two euros? Is that it? Three euros, I don’t know?
[laughter]
David: But, the dollar is not strong right now. So, we are looking forward to seeing you all there at the webby seminar. I don’t know, I’ll work on that, figure something out.
Anne-Marie: That’s right. Cool.
David: OK.
Anne-Marie: All right, so, site redesign tweaks. If you’ve been following InDesignSecrets.com, you know that we went through a major site redesign about a month ago with the help of our designer/coder guru, Pariah Burke.
And though we love it, and it’s really cool to be able to access the most recently commented posts and all that kind of stuff, there are still some tweaks that we’re working on. And one of them was to, well, David’s pet peeve, when you type something in the search field on the home page, you couldn’t hit return to get the results, you had to click the tiny little magnifying glass.
David: I hated that.
Anne-Marie: Yeah, that’s right. So now, that’s fixed.
David: Yeah.
Anne-Marie: That was issue number one.
David: It also loads much faster now, which is nice.
Anne-Marie: Yeah, that’s true. That’s true.
David: So it’s much faster to navigate around, which is cool, and there’s a bunch of other stuff. The comments are easier to get through.
Anne-Marie: That’s my favorite thing, is the comments have been, you know, now we don’t have that big tab on the left. We have full width for all the comments, so when people, because a lot of our writers write long comments, a lot of our users, and also you can link to a comment. Before, we had lost that ability, in the initial redesign.
David: So, we’ve got a bunch more stuff that we’re going to be doing to the site over time, but feel free to leave in the show notes here what you think of the design, what you think we should change. It’s not really helpful if you say, “I just don’t like the design.”
[laughter]
David: That’s not really, that doesn’t help us very much. But, you know, if you have real constructive criticism, we would love to hear it. We’re always open to that. We want to make that site as easy for everybody to see as possible.
We have over 10,000 people hitting that site every day now, so we need to make it really efficient for people to get in, find the information they want, and then find lots of other information.
One of my favorite parts about the site is the similar content, basically, when you’re looking at a post, you see a list of other posts that are similar in nature, things that you might find useful in the upper right corner.
Anne-Marie: Right. Related content.
David: All the related posts. I just love that because it’s kind of magic because you’re following one post and all of a sudden there’s something I need to read.
Anne-Marie: That’s right. Yeah. You go to a post about grep, you see a whole bunch of posts about grep, which is really useful.
David: Yeah. I think so. OK. Speaking about the site and what’s going on there, sometimes we like doing the hot button post of the episode, week, something. This episode week, we’re going to be talking about export all to text or RTF.
Ann-Marie posted something a week ago talking about how you can export all the text out of your InDesign document as either a bunch of text files or a single text file. Do you want to talk about that quickly?
Anne-Marie: Yeah, sure. It’s only because I had these questions from end-users come in waves sometimes. Like one week nine different people asked me, “Gee, how do I change the width of the table column or something?” This week it was, “How do I export all the stories out of an InDesign document?”
We have people who have Word, we have outside writers, they need to be able to edit the stories. Some people want them exported as individual text files, each story, and some people need all the text exported as one big file. I kept telling people the same answers so I finally said I’m going to write it up in a post so all I need to do now is send them the URL.
If you want to export stories as separate files, you just need to use the built-in script called Export All Stories like .JSX. It’s automatically there under Window Automation Scripts in CS3. In CS2, it’s on the resources CD. I’m pretty sure, I haven’t really verified. I’m pretty sure it was there.
David: Yeah, I’m pretty sure, it was there in CS2. But, you have to install it manually.
Anne-Marie: Yeah, you have to actually copy it and drop it into your scripts folder in your InDesign program folder. But, all you do is double click the script in the scripts panel and you’ll get a little dialog box that says, “Do you want these exported as text or RTF or as InDesign tagged text files?” And then, you choose one and then it prompts you for a folder location, not a file name, just a folder location, and then it exports every single story as separate files to that folder.
And you have no control over the name of those files, which is kind of a pain. They come in with an internal ID number: Story ID 222, Story ID 593. Really there’s no rhyme nor reason. I mention that I would guess they’d be pretty easy to script to somehow tag them somehow.
David: You have to remember that those free scripts that come with InDesign, I think, we’ve mentioned this before, they’re primarily there as examples for other scripters to learn from and edit and tweak.
Anne-Marie: That’s correct. They’re proof of concept, here’s how you learn how to export. Take a look at how this script was done.
David: Right, it shouldn’t be hard for someone to make some tweaks to that, like adjusting the name, and so on.
Anne-Marie: Yeah. I mentioned that if you have a bunch of separate story frames that are related to the single story, you should probably thread them together first. Otherwise, you’ll end up with 10,000,000 individual stories, one is a headline, one is a folio that you overwrote, that kind of thing.
The other one is how do you get all the stories out into a single file? Just tell them, “Hey, line up single file.”
[laughter]
David: It’s as easy as that.
Anne-Marie: There are probably a few scripts around that will do this, but the one I always turn to is the one from Rorohiko… Yeah, called Text Exporter.
David: Actually a plug-in.
Anne-Marie: A plug-in, you’re right, did I say script?
David: Close enough. Yeah.
Anne-Marie: I said something. Yeah. Rorohiko is a whole bunch of free scripts for InDesign CS 1, two and three for Windows and Mac, which is always nice to see.
This one called Text Exporter lets you… Its dialogue box has a whole bunch of options. For example, how do you want it to gather the stories, what order should they be in.
It’s going to go spread-to-spread and look at the XY position of each frame but should it go horizontal, then vertical, or vertical, then horizontal, the reading order and also you could tell it not to export stories in the master pages of the paste board or ones you’ve hidden in layers, made the layers invisible, so you do have some more control over it. And that’s about it. Those are the two main things.
The other one is, you can always use a pdf. You could always export to pdf and then starting from a pdf file there’s lots of different ways to extract text. But, for a long document, I think that one of these two scripts or plug-ins is more efficient.
David: I think so. You know, one of the things that came up in the comments after your post was that one of the primary reasons people want this kind of feature, is they want to export all the text out and then have somebody edit it in some way, and then they wished there was some way to get all that text back in to the same place. And that’s tricky at best.
But, I just want to say that somebody mentioned that Rorohiko’s also working on a little thing called, Story Tweaker. And Story Tweaker sounds like it could be very, very cool. And I don’t want to go too much into it because I’m not sure how much they want to make public. But, the idea of – you’ve got an InDesign document, you wish somebody could go in and tweak a story for you, and then put it back into the same place.
Typically, we would say, that’s what Incopy is all about, but Story Tweaker sounds like it could be a simpler, smaller… Certainly not as robust as Incopy is, but a smaller, cuter, friendlier, little solution for that kind of thing. So, I’m really hoping we’re going to hear more about that from Rorohiko as time goes on. They mention it on their blog, on their website, so it kind of got me excited, like maybe this could really be cool.
Anne-Marie: That would be very useful, especially when you have like outside authors, who you don’t want to give them a $250.00 copy. It’s just sort of a one off kind of thing.
David: Right. Or a client. You’ve got a client and they want to go in and start tweaking stuff. And they’re sending you faxes, and you’re like, they want to change every third word, and I just wish there were a way to just give them the stuff so they could make the little tweaks they want to make and then put it back in the same place without giving them InDesign or InCopy or whatever. Who knows!
If you’re interested in that kind of thing, if that sounds interesting to you, leave us a message here in the show notes for this episode, and we will pass it along. We’ll make sure that the folks at Rorohiko are paying attention too. That would be cool.
Hey, we better move along to the obscure InDesign feature of the weekkkkkkk.
Anne-Marie: And that is visibililty.
David: Anne Marie are you there? I can’t see you, Anne Marie.
Anne-Marie: Yes, that’s true.
David: Do you have your invisibility cloak on?
Anne-Marie: Yes I do. I have a paper bag over my head. That’s why.
David: Oh, I thought it was just because this was an audio-only podcast.
Anne-Marie: Visibility is… where is visibility? You know, it’s probably in a few different places. It’s actually invisible.
David: It is, it is. It’s all over. It’s like dark matter in InDesign. This is a good one. This is sort of buried, but it’s under the, “Edit Menu.” And right now, I’m going to the, “Edit Menu,” and instead of seeing what I want to choose, it says, “show all menu items.”
David: Yes, right at the bottom of the menu.
Anne-Marie: Which is ironic.
David: It is isn’t it?
Anne-Marie: Because I have to turn on, “show all menu items,” and then I can see that the one that you want to go to is, “edit menus.” The last item. And there you’ll see “visibility” as a column header and modifying the menus in InDesign.
David: The ability to modify menus, I think, is very cool because often times InDesign users don’t need to see everything that’s in the program. It’s just kind of overwhelming for them. And so, Adobe said, OK, that’s fine, we’ll make it easy to turn stuff off or to colorize menu items.
But, the ability to turn them on and off with the visibility column, I think, can be very, very helpful especially when you’re trying to make InDesign suitable for someone who’s easily overwhelmed. And it’s just a little eyeball. Just like the eyeball in Photoshop or in Layers Parlor or something. A little eyeball and you click on that eyeball and then that menu item will disappear. And it’s very, very, cool.
Anne-Marie: It’s still there, though. If you have a keyboard shortcut for it, it will still work. It’s just that it does not appear in the menu. And when something is hidden in the menu and when the menu item has been made invisible by turning off the visibility column, here, then the very last item will say, “show all menu items.” So, that’s a clue. If you’re like, I know that “find font” has to be in the site menu someplace; why isn’t it there?
If it says, “show all menu items” at the bottom, that means, there’s some sort of invisibililty happening.
David: Right. And you just click on that, and all of a sudden the menu items show up… for that one menu.
Anne-Marie: Right. Just for that one menu. Not for all of them.
David: Right. There’s a shortcut. There’s a little trick there. If you know that it’s going to be invisible and you want to see it, you can bypass that step just by holding on the “command,” or the “control” key. Command on Mac, control on Windows. And if you hold that down while you click on the “menu,” then all the menu items show up even if they were supposed to invisible.
And by the way, the other thing that’s interesting – we mentioned this on a previous podcast as well, that that visibility issue, that visibility feature, actually, is not just “menus” at the top of the screen, it’s also, “panel menus,” or “pallet menus.” Whatever you want to call it. The little fly-out menus on those panels. And to change those, you choose, “edit menus.” It opens the menus customization dialogue box. And then, in the “category” pop-up menu, which a lot of people overlook, you can choose “context and panel menus.”
And if you do that, suddenly you can change all kinds of menus – all the context menus that show up, all of the panel menus that show up. There’s a lot of stuff you can hide in there. Hide or show which I think really cool.
Anne-Marie: For example: If you never work on interactive PDFs, if you really never ever do that, then in your favorite workspace you could also include menu customizations where it just hides all the commands having to do with, buttons and state panel, and any kind of the make interactive command, so that when you right click on something it’s not even there.
It’s a little easier to deal with a menu that lists the ten things that you normally use rather than the 20 things that are a mix of what you never use and what you normally use.
David: Right. This is all about the prime objective of getting more efficient. And remember, if you can take the time now to customize InDesign to the way that you work, and the more that you customize InDesign to the way you work, the more efficient you’re going to be.
Anne-Marie: Now, all that said, I really hate the feature.
[laughter].
Anne-Marie: It drives me crazy. Whenever I have accidentally switched to a workspace that has that, because I never do that for my own. I’m like, “Where is this command?” The work space that’s shipped with CS3, if you choose, “basic” or “new and improved” in CS3, or “printing and proofing,” you’ll see that some of the menu items are hidden, some other ones are colored. Not in the basic one but in the other two.
And if that’s bugging you; if you like the palettes or the panels, but to go with that workspace, but you’d rather see all the menu items, then you can just go to the “window menu” to the workspace sub menu and choose, “reset menus.” That will fix all the menus and decolorize them and make everything visible. But, the selection of panels that were part of that workspace will remain.
David: Excellent tip. I like that.
Anne-Marie: That took me about four years to discover, by the way.
[laughter]
Anne-Marie: I just realized that about two months ago. “Like, oh, I can just do this.”
David: Oh, it’s hiding in there. That’s good.
So, setting up workspaces is very important because if you are going to turn menu items on and off, make a workspace, which is like your special minimized workspace, and then you can always switch back to default, or some other workspace that has all the menu items really easily. And we’ve talked about that before.
I like the feature. I think it’s pretty cool, but, honestly, because I’m doing so much training, I want to see everything all the time. So, I don’t tend to use it, but I do see it’s value for a lot of people, especially production people who basically, just do the same thing everyday over and over again.
Anne-Marie: Right. OK.
David: Excellent.
Anne-Marie: Well, that’s it for Episode 84. Thank you again to Certitec for your support of our show. Don’t forget to go to that special URL at Certitec.com/InDesignSecrets.html to signup for that drawing. You have to sign up within seven days of the date that this podcast goes live in order to be entered for the drawing.
And don’t forget, $20.00 off to our first webarseminar, eSeminar.
[laughter]
Anne-Marie: David is doing InDesign tips and tricks. And we’ll have a link to that as well. What is the code for that?
David: It’s IDS88. IDS88. If you go to Eventbright, which is our registration company that is doing this. You can just search for InDesign and you can find it there. It shows up in the list of the few InDesign seminars that are out there, also which do not look very interesting. But, ours will be fascinating.
So, if you use IDS88. But, the link in the show notes will take you right there and automatically apply the discount, so it’s much easier that way.
Anne-Marie: All right, and be sure to check out the show notes on our blog in InDesignSecrets.com, where we’ll have links to all these places. Scott Citron’s blog and all that stuff. We’d love to hear what you thought of the show; leave a comment in the show notes or email us at info@InDesignSecrets.com.
And until we meet again, this is Anne-Marie and…
David: … David Blatner for InDesignSecrets.
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