Comments on: The Case of the Disappearing Text http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php InDesignSecrets Blog and Podcast Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:02:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: mere http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-387759 mere Fri, 02 May 2008 14:05:35 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-387759 I just had this problem yesterday. I was working on a book with text imported from MS Word that included tables. Eventhough I had the text autoflowed and had plenty of pages for the text to flow into, I would still end up with the text ending far sooner than it was supposed to and no red plus sign indicating overset text.... All I did was hit the delete key a couple times and that seemed to work. It was the tables that were causing the problem, I think. I just had this problem yesterday. I was working on a book with text imported from MS Word that included tables. Eventhough I had the text autoflowed and had plenty of pages for the text to flow into, I would still end up with the text ending far sooner than it was supposed to and no red plus sign indicating overset text…. All I did was hit the delete key a couple times and that seemed to work. It was the tables that were causing the problem, I think.

]]> By: naughtee http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-281419 naughtee Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:53:59 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-281419 hey, useful stuff thanks, i had the same problem, however none of the solutions helped me (nice to go through the various suggestions), i had stripped text out of a pdf (as rtf) then imported and applied various a para styles when exactly the same "dissapearence" happened... after pulling hair etc (and working through before mentioned suggestions)... i turned on the "show hidden characters" deerrrr i know but i never have it on, and there was a "^s" symbol between all the letters... what is that, anyway "search and replace" that with a stock standard "space" and whew, back on track just adding to the fray hey, useful stuff thanks, i had the same problem, however none of the solutions helped me (nice to go through the various suggestions), i had stripped text out of a pdf (as rtf) then imported and applied various a para styles when exactly the same “dissapearence” happened…

after pulling hair etc (and working through before mentioned suggestions)… i turned on the “show hidden characters” deerrrr i know but i never have it on, and there was a “^s” symbol between all the letters… what is that, anyway “search and replace” that with a stock standard “space” and whew, back on track

just adding to the fray

]]> By: Alan http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267349 Alan Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:15:34 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267349 I personally use the enlarged text box trick out in the pasteboard. his also eliminates issuse caused by textwrap and baseline adjustment. I keep getting files with an empty frame across the bottom of a document with a wrap around bounding box set. Different designers/sources. I personally use the enlarged text box trick out in the pasteboard. his also eliminates issuse caused by textwrap and baseline adjustment. I keep getting files with an empty frame across the bottom of a document with a wrap around bounding box set. Different designers/sources.

]]> By: Eugene http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267261 Eugene Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:52:25 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267261 The problem I have with the resizing of text boxes is that it breaks the link to the master margin guides. In that if you had to adjust your margins on your master page, I find that the page that you manually changed the size of the text frame does not change with the rest of the text boxes on your pages that relate to that master page. The problem I have with the resizing of text boxes is that it breaks the link to the master margin guides. In that if you had to adjust your margins on your master page, I find that the page that you manually changed the size of the text frame does not change with the rest of the text boxes on your pages that relate to that master page.

]]> By: Andrew Herzog http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267171 Andrew Herzog Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:56:35 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267171 Another problem solving technique, besides those mentioned, that I have used is to link the overset text to a new text frame and increase the width and depth of the frame until the text fits. Or just increase the last frame where text should appear but doesn't. This doesn't always immediately show the problem, but a large indent would be readily noticed. As well, unless something extremely weird, like all paragraphs having keep with next on them, has been done you can select the text without having to go to the story editor. And I do think the editor is a great tool at times! Don't want you to think otherwise. Another problem solving technique, besides those mentioned, that I have used is to link the overset text to a new text frame and increase the width and depth of the frame until the text fits. Or just increase the last frame where text should appear but doesn’t.

This doesn’t always immediately show the problem, but a large indent would be readily noticed. As well, unless something extremely weird, like all paragraphs having keep with next on them, has been done you can select the text without having to go to the story editor.

And I do think the editor is a great tool at times! Don’t want you to think otherwise.

]]> By: Eugene Tyson http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267019 Eugene Tyson Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:46:18 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267019 I guess nobody has ventured Ventura then? If text disappears then you better hope to have had a copy, and a regular copy of the file. I guess nobody has ventured Ventura then? If text disappears then you better hope to have had a copy, and a regular copy of the file.

]]> By: Klaus Nordby http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267006 Klaus Nordby Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:40:44 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-267006 Thanks also, David (you posted after I read & posted to A-M & Matt.) Didn't you find PM rather crude typographically, compared to Quark? The arrow-behavior sounds dreadful indeed. Thanks also, David (you posted after I read & posted to A-M & Matt.) Didn’t you find PM rather crude typographically, compared to Quark? The arrow-behavior sounds dreadful indeed.

]]> By: Klaus Nordby http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-266997 Klaus Nordby Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:36:20 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-266997 Anne-Marie & Matt, thanks for this enlightenment! I have only worked with Quark, prior to switching to ID, and never bothered with investigating PM, hence I am very PM-ignorant (since it was pretty clear that Quark was typographically superior to PM). Anne-Marie & Matt, thanks for this enlightenment! I have only worked with Quark, prior to switching to ID, and never bothered with investigating PM, hence I am very PM-ignorant (since it was pretty clear that Quark was typographically superior to PM).

]]> By: David Blatner http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-266995 David Blatner Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:32:49 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-266995 I don't remember when I first saw InDesign 1.0 (codenamed K2). It was pretty early. Yes, 1.0 had the Story Editor feature. But as Anne-Marie points out, my experience with Story Editor was primarily from PageMaker (which I started using around 1987). Many people don't realize that long after I was recommending QX, and even after I switched to InDesign, I was still using PageMaker regularly: <em>Real World Photoshop</em> was produced with PageMaker until just a couple of years ago because my co-author, Bruce Fraser, liked it best. After I agreed to take on building new templates and laying out most of the book, he agreed to let us change to InDesign. So once every product release cycle I found myself spending a lot of time in the Story Editor. It was the one saving grace of that tired, old program. (Favorite pet peeve from PageMaker: Using the arrow key to move through text... when you'd get to the end of a page, PM would just beep at you because it wasn't smart enough to update the screen and jump to the next page.) I don’t remember when I first saw InDesign 1.0 (codenamed K2). It was pretty early. Yes, 1.0 had the Story Editor feature.

But as Anne-Marie points out, my experience with Story Editor was primarily from PageMaker (which I started using around 1987).

Many people don’t realize that long after I was recommending QX, and even after I switched to InDesign, I was still using PageMaker regularly: Real World Photoshop was produced with PageMaker until just a couple of years ago because my co-author, Bruce Fraser, liked it best. After I agreed to take on building new templates and laying out most of the book, he agreed to let us change to InDesign. So once every product release cycle I found myself spending a lot of time in the Story Editor. It was the one saving grace of that tired, old program.

(Favorite pet peeve from PageMaker: Using the arrow key to move through text… when you’d get to the end of a page, PM would just beep at you because it wasn’t smart enough to update the screen and jump to the next page.)

]]> By: Matt McCaffrey http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-266987 Matt McCaffrey Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:23:59 +0000 http://indesignsecrets.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-text.php#comment-266987 Hi, Klaus, Yes, there has been a Story Editor in PageMaker for many years -- I seem to recall a software rev. around 1990 that added it (and with the COMD-Y keyboard shortcut to open it that has survived all of Adobe's interface revisions). It was the single most useful revision in that version of the software, or at least the one that sticks in my mind the most after 18 years or so. I think that Aldus introduced scripting around the same time, but it was Story Editor that made it practical to work on text right in the program instead of endless round-trips between PM and, say, Word. Because of that particular gift under the PM tree, I still go habitually to the Story Editor in InDesign when I need to troubleshoot (and when I'm thinking of it, I sometimes choose the green-on-black style for the window just to recall the funkiness of working on a typesetting terminal! :) ). Hi, Klaus,
Yes, there has been a Story Editor in PageMaker for many years — I seem to recall a software rev. around 1990 that added it (and with the COMD-Y keyboard shortcut to open it that has survived all of Adobe’s interface revisions). It was the single most useful revision in that version of the software, or at least the one that sticks in my mind the most after 18 years or so. I think that Aldus introduced scripting around the same time, but it was Story Editor that made it practical to work on text right in the program instead of endless round-trips between PM and, say, Word.

Because of that particular gift under the PM tree, I still go habitually to the Story Editor in InDesign when I need to troubleshoot (and when I’m thinking of it, I sometimes choose the green-on-black style for the window just to recall the funkiness of working on a typesetting terminal! :) ).

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