Comments on: The Frame that Tries to Steal Your Text (Why You Can Click Through Some Frames and Not Others)

By: Michelle

Michelle — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:18:38 +0000

Thanks for this post, I found the answer in it that had been bugging me for ages – how to change frames back to unassigned when you accidentally click into them and make them a text frame.

Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

By: vivicity

vivicity — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:44:37 +0000

This blog rocks!
Found the answer to why my folios were not showing up and learned a few new things too!

By: Klaus Nordby

Klaus Nordby — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:15:56 +0000

So, I’m actually wrong — it IS possible to have Master Page items stacked on top of Plain Page items — and I’m happy to stand refuted! (I must have done something stupid when I tested this earlier.)

But David, you can’t have one sentence with two colons. It just isn’t done.

By: lauren

lauren — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:22:17 +0000

I do the same thing, keep separate layers just for master items. Wow, what was a simple question in the beginning has turned into quite a beginner’s learning experience in layers and master pages!

By: David Blatner

David Blatner — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:45:43 +0000

Daniel has it right, and that’s the important point: I like to make two layers in a document: Master Background (which sits at the bottom of the layers panel list) and Master Top (which is at the top). Background graphics or objects that are supposed to be behind everything go on the lower layer; page numbers, headers, and that kind of thing go on Master Top. I do not put any document page items on either of these layers to be safe; I have other layers (“text,” “graphics,” and so on) that are sandwiched between the two master layers.

By: Daniel Tomasch

Daniel Tomasch — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:32:42 +0000

While it seems to get slightly off topic—master page items are all fundamentally “underneath” other items at the same level.

So, all master page items on “Bottom Layer” will be below all other items on “Bottom Layer.”

All master page items on “Top Layer” will be below all other items on “Top Layer” but will be ABOVE items on “Bottom Layer.”

Example

By: Claudia

Claudia — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:24:08 +0000

Klaus,
As I mentioned earlier, master page items are behind document page items UNTIL THEY ARE UNLOCKED.
When a master item is unlocked, it moves in front of *other master items,* but NOT in front of plain old items created in the document page.

To force a master item in front of all other items (master and document items) on a page, unlock it and either bring it to front in the stacking order (which only brings it to the top of the layer it’s in, not above ALL layers), or move the item to the topmost stacking order of the topmost layer.

Hope that clarifies.

By: Klaus Nordby

Klaus Nordby — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:31:25 +0000

Gfx-Dzine, your “guessing” doesn’t square with my actual tests — which is that objects on master page layers which are on top STILL end up underneath objects on normal pages. I’d love to be wrong in this, though,so if anyone has a happy workaround . . . ?

By: April

April — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:59:18 +0000

An even easier way to avoid the wrong-frame-clicking problem would be to put the stroke on the text frame itself. No need for another frame.

By: Gfx-Dzine

Gfx-Dzine — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:32:51 +0000

Well (AFAIK layers work globally so if you want all the masterpage items to “magically hover above items on ordinary pages” I guess you just put them a seperate top-most layer.
In general I like to work on separate layers to keep the stacking order visually clear to me – less hustle with sending to front-back when I place something.

Take care.