Major pagination issue – any help or troubleshooting ideas appreciated
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August 30, 2015 at 11:49 pm #77721justinskiMember
I’ve got a serious pagination bug with InDesign (tested in both CC2014 and CC2015). Apologies for long post, but it’s difficult to explain.
I lay out reports from Word (2010, .docx files) into InDesign chapter-by-chapter in a Book, using a template (Styles and Master Pages) I’ve built from scratch. My workflow after placing each Word chapter file into InDesign involves systematically deleting each imported Word Paragraph Style and replacing it with its InDesign equivalent. I then do a general clean up, including applying Style overrides for anything that didn’t match properly.
With a recent report, I noticed that while going through some chapters after Style matching, some pages/Text Frames were doing something weird – the footnotes at the bottom of the page were aligning themselves relative to the top of the page (as opposed to near the bottom of the frame’s text) by the distance specified as the Minimum Space Before First Footnote (in Document Footnote Options, in my document 10mm) – leaving massive white space.
Screenshots here of the bug:
Chapter 3 example: https://imgur.com/NRLs3aS
Chapter 4 example: https://imgur.com/mOdWEpxScreenshots here of what the respective pages should like:
Chapter 3 fixed: https://imgur.com/c50UbiF
Chapter 4 fixed: https://imgur.com/PfyqEbwNothing in the bugged out text frame can be selected by the Type Tool. To *temporarily* fix the problem, I can do anything that refreshes the view of the page, like forcefully re-applying a Paragraph Style before the offending page (holding Alt and clicking on a Paragraph Style), or going into any settings/options and modifying a measurement that affects the entire document.
This makes me think that the problem is a bug, not anything wrong with my Paragraph Styles or something I’ve created in the document. It might be something to do with the original Word file, but the same problem has happened with different Word documents based on different templates.
Back to my InDesign workflow, when I continued cleaning up the document, sometimes the same thing would happen to the same section of text again and I’d have to go back and do that tinkering until the pagination was fixed.
However, this didn’t end up being a viable workaround. While I could get each chapter file looking like it was supposed to with no messed up pagination/footnotes, after I generated the table of contents, it re-made the same pagination error in the exact same spots.
And the HUGE problem with this was – the page numbering in the TOC referenced the incorrect pagination from the bug. This happened near the printer’s deadline with a recent report and needless to say it was a nightmare of manual page numbering.
I thought it might have been an InDesign CC 2015 issue, but the same problem happens with CC 2014. I’ve gone over all the options in my Paragraph Styles and can see nothing screwy with Keep options or anything else, nor with my Document Footnote Options. This problem seems to happen randomly once or twice in some documents and not others, but I can’t replicate it or find a pattern. My best guess is it’s a bug with Footnotes. I’m really stumped.
Any perspectives on this would be greatly appreciated or the experience of anyone who has encountered this same issue. I’m pretty desperate to get this resolved before a slew of reports later this year.
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August 31, 2015 at 6:42 am #77722Marie DohertyMember
I think you have found a bug in CC2014/2015 when a story contains both footnotes and tables. I have managed to replicate the same issue in CC2014 (although the footnotes displayed correctly at first, they appeared as shown in your examples after I modified the table). The problem didn’t occur when I tested in CS5.5. If you could change the way you format the ‘Questions’ (i.e. so that they are not contained in a table), then I’m sure that would resolve the pagination issues you are experiencing.
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September 1, 2015 at 8:54 pm #77794justinskiMember
Thanks for your reply.
If this is a bug in both CC2014 and CC2015, that’s pretty bad. And IMO just unacceptable. Do Adobe InDesign reps see this forum? Do you think I should try contacting them on Adobe forums?
I’ll try changing how I do Questions, thanks for the suggestion.
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September 1, 2015 at 9:06 pm #77797justinskiMember
Apologies for a further question – do you know if this bug also appear in Adobe CC (9.0)?
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August 31, 2015 at 7:45 am #77724David BlatnerKeymaster
I have heard of all kinds of weird pagination stuff like this, though I don’t remember seeing that one. Does the force reflow shortcut work? https://creativepro.com/force-text-reflow-when-indesign-forgets-to-flow-the-text.php
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September 1, 2015 at 8:55 pm #77796justinskiMember
Thank you too for your suggesion.
I’ll try that force text reflow shortcut, but I suspect it won’t resolve my issue where generating/updating the table of contents will re-introduce the problem and do page numbering based on the incorrect pagination.
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September 2, 2015 at 12:15 am #77798Marie DohertyMember
Hi Justin
To give a bit more info, I have discovered that this problem is only occurring in CC2014 (and I presume CC2015) when a story contains footnotes above AND below a table. I’ve tested in CC (v9.3) and all seems OK.
To report bug to Adobe: https://www.adobe.com/products/wishform.html
Marie
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September 7, 2015 at 10:16 pm #77941justinskiMember
It looks like converting everything back to InDesign CC (9.X) solved this issue. Appreciate your help, I wouldn’t have thought to go back two versions to fix this!
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September 7, 2015 at 11:28 pm #77942Marie DohertyMember
I agree that this is a major bug and thanks for drawing attention to it. I hope Adobe take notice and fix it soon. Good news that you are able to work with your original design (albeit by going back to version CC!).
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November 30, 2015 at 6:00 am #79683Martin HowleyMember
I’ve been experiencing this problem on a number of files that I work on. I’m using InDesign CC2015 on Windows 7.
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April 22, 2016 at 4:05 am #84200Emily MorrellMember
I’m experiencing this bug too and wondered if anyone has any workarounds? I can’t figure out what to do other than remove the tables from the text altogether and place them in as objects, which I’d rather not do.
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April 22, 2016 at 4:42 am #84202Marie DohertyMember
Only solution I’ve found is to go back to version CC. Please report bug: https://www.adobe.com/products/wishform.html. Adobe needs to fix this soon.
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October 7, 2016 at 12:51 am #88924Marie DohertyMember
Here are a couple of very helpful ‘workaround’ solutions to working in CC2014 or CC2015 until bug is fixed: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2217618
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