November 24 2008 • 6:33 AM

What the Heck is Going On in These Text Frames?

Sometimes I turn to a page in an InDesign document and I just stop, staring at the screen, wondering what on earth is going on. What could this thing I’m looking at be? It’s a text frame, sure, but it doesn’t make sense.

For example, today I opened a document and saw something akin to this:

I mean, hey, what is that big red dot doing between the second and third line. It’s obviously part of the drop cap. I think. Maybe. But I can’t select it, I can’t get rid of it, and it was frustrating the heck out of me until… I turned on Preview mode. It goes away!

Now some of you will know what it is right away. And that’s okay. Because sooner or later you’ll be faced with some weird text frame thing that the person next to you understands, but you don’t.

It took me a good minute or two to realize that the red dot was an unwarranted and unneeded space character after the I. And Hidden Characters are visible. See all the other tiny red dots where there are spaces? This one got “blown up” because of the drop cap.

Here’s another fun one that stumped me for a moment:

Why would someone fill a text frame with a bunch of red dots, seemingly randomly placed? But they, too, disappear when I turn on Preview mode or Overprint Preview. Yup, you got it: they are also space characters and Type > Show Hidden Characters is enabled. Where’s the text? It’s colored Paper. Oh, that tricky Paper color! It fools me more often than it should.

In the past, we’ve written about other weird things, such as the disappearing paragraph rule, and the text that disappeared right out of the frame. I also wrote up a list of some of the hidden characters you can see from time to time.

Then, of course, there are the oldies but goodies, such as the line line of a paragraph that has the wrong leading:

The culprit there, of course, is usually the invisible return character, which sometimes gets different leading applied accidentally. (This happened in PageMaker all the time, too.) That’s why I like turning on the Apply Leading to Entire Paragraph checkbox in Preferences.

And here’s an oddity: I clicked on this text frame multiple times, but where’s its frame? Why can’t I seem to select it?

We talked about that one in an earlier podcast: The text frame color accidentally got changed to White! So the frame is visible… but not on a white background! Grrr!

Oh, there are so many strange and unexpected things that can happen in InDesign. That’s why it’s so important that people become good not just at laying out pages, but also in thinking like a detective — look for clues, such as changing the various view modes, and use those little gray cells!

7 Responses discussing this post. Add yours below.

  1. Jimmy Hartington
    November 24th, 2008 • 6:50 am • Link

    … or when a text frame is aligned to justify. Then you wonder why the leading is not followed.

  2. Eugene
    November 24th, 2008 • 6:55 am • Link

    How about having a GREP style in the paragraph style so that any carriage returns would be given the same size as the body?

    And not forgetting when someone has applied a baseline grid to the document and the text magically increases/decreases leading when the text frame goes onto the page, but it’s fine in the pasteboard. :)

  3. November 24th, 2008 • 8:36 am • Link

    Eugene, that baseline grid one happens to my newbie ID clients all the time!

    Re the carriage return … that problem that David brought up is also the reason to always select entire paragraphs by quadruple-clicking instead of dragging from the first to last character. The click method always selects the final carriage return even if Hidden Characters are hidden.

  4. David Blatner
    November 24th, 2008 • 9:14 am • Link

    Good point about leading values, Jimmy and Eugene. I talked about those issues in this old post (I even made the same “gray cells” joke!)

  5. Roland
    November 25th, 2008 • 1:01 am • Link

    David, where in InDesign is the menu for using those gray cells you speak of? Don’t tell me it’s a new feature found only in CS4 ;)

  6. November 30th, 2008 • 1:59 pm • Link

    Gentlemen, you are all far wiser and more experienced than I at InDesign. Maybe someone has an idea why sometimes text will break to the next line when there is still plenty of space on the existing line? A four-character word goes over when there is space for more than 10 still left? It’s driving me bonkers. I’ve gone through all the things I can think of - hidden characters, frame inset, soft returns… but still it plays up. This particular occurrence is when my new paras have blob starts - I copied and pasted the text directly from Word. Maybe that is a clue? It’s also CS2, yes I know I’m cheap not upgrading, but…

    Help!

    Aidan

  7. Gregg Leonard
    December 1st, 2008 • 12:18 am • Link

    Aidan,
    Click on the line below for more info on your problem.

    It’s the beloved/hated paragraph composer that is messing with your head …

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