Font Automatically Changes when Inserting Speech Marks?
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Hello folks,
When inserting speech marks, the Arabic font I’m using automaticaly changes to Minion Pro for some reason and then switches straight back to the Arabic font, then I have to go and highlight the speech marks and change them back to the font I was using, what’s up with that? There’s no way a font cannot have speech marks.
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Hello Anne-Marie, I just opened the glyphs panel and it is showing speech marks, although not the ones used in English fonts, it’s showing that mini version of two parentheses which are used as speech marks in a lot of Arabic books, so yes, it’s showing the ones I want but it’s not typing them, it immediately just changed to Minion Pro again.
You know I just went through the whole keyboard, pressing shift and every key to see if the speech marks would show, but they didn’t. In fact, with a few other shift + key combinations it even switched over to Adobe Arabic. Strange. I just bought this font the other week, it’s Linotype Lotus Arabic from their website.
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One thing that can cause problems with multi-language documents is that the language specified in the paragraph or character style is not the language of the font used for the foreign characters. If you have mixed languages in your project, that may be the issue.
It’s quite possible to insert Arabic or Chinese into otherwise Western copy, and the characters can be specified correctly and pulled in from the Glyphs Panel, but if the style is not also explicitly set to that language (using the Language dropdown in the Character Panel or in the style dialog) the mismatch can cause this kind of weird glitch.
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Hello Alan, I just went through all my paragraph and character styles and they were mostly all set to Arabic and the ones that weren’t, I changed, but still no luck. When I type the speech marks the + sign actually comes up next to the paragraph style to show that local formatting has been applied and it actually lists Minion Pro as the override.
Weird this.
I just created a new document with no paragraph or character styles except the defaults, threw some Arabic placeholder text in there and selected all and changed the font to Lotus Linotype, the one I’m using, inserted the speech marks and same thing, still reverts to Minion Pro.
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The only way I can get the correct speech marks is if I go to: Type: Insert Special Character: Quotation Marks: Double Right/Left Quotation Marks, when I insert them in this way they are entered without the font changing.
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That’s a good clue that makes two ideas spring to mind. The first is that there’s a glitch in the font itself, which you could check by trying the same procedure using different Arabic fonts. The second is to check if Positional Forms in the OpenType section of the style sheet is set to “Automatic” rather than General, which is the default.
It also suggests a workaround. A GREP style should be able to force the font to Lotus LT, sparing you a great deal of debugging time.
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Are you using a plug-in to do your Arabic? For example, are you using World Publisher from In-Tools software?
Or are you using the ME version of InDesign?
The fact that it is changing fonts for those characters makes me think it’s an ME (middle eastern) feature. I have seen that with Asian typesetting — where different kinds of characters get different fonts applied to them. (For example, in Japanese typesettings, they often use a different font for numerals or English words.) That can be set up automatically as font sets. -
Hi David, no plug-ins, I’m using the ME version of InDesign CC. What was that about font sets? How do I set that up?
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