InDesignSecrets Podcast 021

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  • Branislav Milic solves the Real-Time Reverse Out of Black challenge! Download his 7-page PDF, “Transparency Cool Effects” (1.1 MB), the solution is on pages 6-7.
  • Brief preview of the InDesign Conference in London, coming up June 26-29, 2006
  • Oh that pesky Auto Numbering feature – surely it can’t be this bad, a listener asks
  • Secrets of the Ink Manager! Thank you, Adobe — now please go work on that numbering thing
  • Obscure InDesign Feature of the Week: the Script Label palette

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17 Comments on “InDesignSecrets Podcast 021

  1. Anne-Marie thought there was no keyboard shortcut option for the Convert Numbering to Text feature that we mentioned in this episode… but we found one: It’s in the Text and Tables product area and called (suspiciously enough) Convert Bullets and Numbering to Text. So there you go.

  2. Worse news, Anne-Marie! The feature also shows up in the Paragraph palette menu. Since the Control palette gives me most of what I need, I tend to forget about this palette!

  3. Yep, another great podcast, thanks!

    One note, their is a fifth place where you can find the Ink Manager. It’s in the Separation Preview Palette Option. I do prefere to use it there since when turning on Separation Preview it automaticly turn Overprint Preview On also,so I never forget to do it.

    Keep the good works!

  4. On the subject of Ink Manager and spot colors, here’s a question. I recently worked on a two-color job with a logo that prints as a duotone of Process Black and PMS 122. I wanted to specify a screen angle for the PMS color — either 105° (cyan’s usual angle) or 75° (magenta’s). I could do this in the print dialog in the Output pane, but I couldn’t find a way to make the setting stick. When I reopened the file, it defaulted back to 45°. Is there any way to make a screen angle setting stay put for a PMS color, or do you just have to specifiy that in your readme file to the service bureau?

    Great podcast, incidentally! Thanks!

    — Gary

  5. Gary, the default angle is coming from the PPD usually it is set to use 45 as default. Unfortunately, it is not save in Indesign and revert back to 45 (Even when save as a Print Presets). The only alterntive is to open the PPD in and change the setting to what you want. Try doing a find in the PPD for something that look like this…

    *ColorSepScreenAngle CustomColor.53lpi.300dpi/53 lpi / 300 dpi: “45.0”

    God luck…

  6. Thanks for the great information, Jean-Claude!

    Re ink angles … I’ve always heard that with InDesign or PDF files, “the commercial printer takes care of it.” Sort of like not bothering setting up trapping presets because the printer is going to be ignoring your settings and using their own software for it. So communicating with your vendor about this would be optimal, I’d imagine.

  7. Anne-Marie, you are right that most of the time you don?t have to worry about setting theses setting, at least in a composite workflow where the doc get separated at the rip. But from what I can understand from Gary comment he was printing in separation and he need to set the correct angle for his spot color.

  8. I’m a total newbie and love your podcasts.
    In podcast 21 about auto numbering you mentioned you can’t add a paragraph without messying up numbered lists. I use (on the pc) shift enter which gives a soft return however, in indesign, you will need to add a tab if you want it lined up and for each line of the paragraph

  9. Tricia’s suggestion to use the soft return for sub-paragraphs in the numbered list is a good one.
    It also allows you to take advantage of the feature in InDesign that applies leading as a character attribute.
    In this case you can change the leading for the first character of the forced new line to add space between the fake paragraphs.

  10. Yes, good point, Tricia. I agree with Sandee. But the point we were focusing on is slightly different. See this post for more information and a description.

    That’s the problem with podcasts; sometimes you just need to see an example! (That’s why we’re looking at also doing videos pretty soon. Stand by for more on that!)

  11. Podcasts are great but..
    You guys are usually SO great about saying whether a tip is about CS or CS2. Per the autonumbering, you didnt. I spent the better part of 15 minutes trying to find it. until I spotted Davids comment #12 above. I am using CS, at least for the next 6 months. Is there something like that in CS or am I just too dim to find the autonumbering in CS?

  12. Diane, I’m so sorry we didn’t make that clear! We’ll be more careful about that from now on.

    When InDesign CS first came out, Adobe offered something called a PageMaker plug-in pack separately for $49. It included the Position tool, auto bullets and numbering, the Pagemaker toolbar and a few others. After a few months they raised the price of ID CS slightly and bundled the plug-in pack with the program. But I don’t think it got installed automatically, so you might be able to find a CD around if you still have the packaging. (I was one of the unlucky ones who bought ID CS before it was bundled with the plug-in pack, and I never sprung for the add-on, so I never had the plug-ins either, with CS). We mentioned in our show that with CS2 they just rolled in the plug-ins with the actual program, so now they get installed automatically.

  13. Another use of the scripts label palette: We use the NOTES feature all the time to pass notes about text items, things yet to be done or checked, etc. Unfortunately, we cannot use the notes feature to add comments about an image. Instead, we use the SCRIPTS LABEL palette and use it as the place for notes about images and other linked items. We used to do this on a “production notes” non-printing layer, but when a box gets moved from one page to another, we’d always forget to move the notes. Now we don’t lose the notes when the item moves!

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