InDesignSecrets Podcast 164

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  • Layer Tricks!
    • Stacking, dragging, show/hide layout objects
    • Dragging objects from one group to another
    • Managing nested objects
    • Using the “southern double-click”
    • Show (in layout) selected layer object
  • Keyboard Shortcuts You Should Know: Command-3 (Ctrl-3) and Command-Option-3 (Ctrl-Alt-3)
  • Obscure InDesign Feature of the Week: Stylistic Sets

9 Comments on “InDesignSecrets Podcast 164

  1. Err, seems like the linked file isn’t there?
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  2. Thanks for the fix, AM!

    On the podcast:
    Cmd-3, Cmd-Opt-3 ? you know those keystrokes come from Illustrator! It’s funny you mention the telepathy plugin. I totally thought you were going to instead suggest that Cmd-Opt-3 should just Unhide the Last Hidden Object. Which would be interesting [but incompatible with AI, pun intended].

    Historically, in Illustrator, the way you dealt with this stuff was you hit Unlock or Unhide All, which unlocked everything and selected it, then shift-clicked the thing you wanted to unlock, and then hit Lock Selection again. Cmd-2 for lock, Cmd-3 for hide, then it kind of breaks down. (Cmd-4 for “Repeat Pathfinder”, Cmd-5 for “Make Guides”, Cmd-6 for “Reselect”, 7 for Clipping Masks, and 8 for Compound Paths). But think, with the advent of the Layers panel, most people don’t do it that way anymore…

    As for stylistics sets?oof, what a mess! I would have thought Illustrator would do a better job of them, but it’s even [dramatically] worse than ID.

    My go-to resource on these is the Adobe Type Reference Guide, either on paper, or the big PDF that comes with Font Folio 11. For Minion Pro, it has an Alternates, Ligatures, and Superiors section that is broken up into little groups. It shows you the KRkf that are in Stylistic Set 1, and then the alternate final forms aemnr that are in Stylistic Set 2, and then it shows a bunch of ligatures and superscripts. Unfortunately it doesn’t tell you that the first set is SS1 and the second is SS2, but it does seem to hold. The other big Unfortunately is that I don’t think you can get the PDF if you don’t own Font Folio, and I guess most people probably don’t. [but you can buy the book; probably at good prices since the 3rd edition, for Font Folio 11, is getting long in the tooth since they’re allegedly issuing a 4th edition for Font Folio 11.1. (which doesn’t seem to have much to recommend it if you jsut do Western typesetting. Maybe a bit more than the CS5.1 releases over the CS5.0 releases though…)]

    You would sort of hope that the MinionProReadMe would be helpful here, but it’s not.

    The other place to look is the Glyph Complement PDF listings, like MinionPro-MediumSubh.pdf. They’re both more detailed than the Type Reference Guide and more useless. Who wants to look at a big listing of all the glyphs?
    In the Complement PDF for Minion, under “Latin capitals” you can find “Stylistic alternates” and that’s just “KR.” Fine, that seems ok. But then if you look at “Latin lowercase” then “Stylistic alternates” only has “kf.” You have to look under “Ending” to find the alternate final forms of aemnr, but right along with them you find bizarre accented forms of the alternate final a and e. I say bizarre because there are 12 accented forms of the alternate final a, but no version with just an acute or a grave (á or à). Instead there is one with an acute and a breve, an acute and a circumflex, etc. So I guess it is useful but it doesn’t have one place to look for a Stylistic Set, or even really any way for you to know what to look for…

    Maybe Adobe can fix their handling of all of this stuff for CS9 and make the CS apps all handle OpenType consistently and well. Meanwhile in Lion, Apple seems to have eviscerated the parts of the Character Viewer that made it more useful than Adobe’s Glyphs panel. Oh boy!

  3. You know, if you hit command-3 and are then horrified that some object has apparently disappeared, you can always make just that object re-appear by hitting command-z (known to you as ?zee? and to the rest of the English-speaking world as ?zed?).
    Hey, it works for me! :-)

  4. In this podcast you say that you can’t identify which object you’d want command-option-3 to reveal… of course there is a way, but it makes command-option-3 kind of useless:

    If you navigate to the layers panel and open the arrow to see the objects/sub-layers, you could select an individual object/sub-layer, then press command-option-3 to reveal it. (But at that point it would just be easier to click on the ‘eye’ icon.)

    See, InDesign DOES know, if you tell it!

  5. @Dleather: I’m not sure that is correct. If you hide several objects, command-option-3 always makes them all appear. I don’t think there’s any way to un-hide just one, even if you select it in the Layers panel. Am I wrong?

    That said, you are absolutely right that clicking the eyeball next to the one object that you want visible will work. That’s the way to go.

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